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Scourging?
I promise I do not have a preconceived idea of what I am trying to do here. This is not solely meant as a series of political treatises. Perhaps these topics are on my mind and that is why the are jumping out at me. Who knows. Tonight’s will be one somewhat in the same vein.
Yesterday I dealt with a land that was to be one of promise. If the people who possess the land are not righteous and keep the commandments, then the land would be given to another nation. While that has some scary implications, I find this scripture to be a bit more troubling.
We find the Nephites have now left the Lamanites. Of course, they are not called by those names yet, but they will be. There is something fascinating here. They were those who followed the Lord, kept the commandments, and had to leave their brethren due to the stress they brought upon them. As they broke away, they did not take on the name of Jesus, or even that of Christ because these people did not know that yet. They took on the name of Nephi, prophet. They did not take on the name of the Almighty, Yahweh, Lord, or even Lord God. They took Nephi. Due to the tradition this would start, we know this would cause the disputations that would arise in 3 Nephi. We take it for granted that the name of the church would be after Jesus Christ, but I can sense what their frustration might have been when they were trying to figure out what to call the church after Christ’s coming. I can see some of the difficulty even in our day. Anyhow, I am on a tangent.
Nephi takes his people and teaches them to be industrious. They build buildings, even a temple, and a host of other occupations. There are the smiths, the carvers, the carpenters, the miners, and the farmers. Then they give the contrast of those who are not righteous, those who keep not the covenants/commandments.
“…they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.” (2 Nephi 5:24). There are other scriptures that give us more explanation of those who keep not the covenants. “…after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations” (1 Nephi 12:23). “…their hatred was fixed, and they were led by their evil nature that they became wild, and ferocious, and a blood-thirsty people, full of idolatry and filthiness; feeding upon beasts of prey; dwelling in tents, and wandering about in the wilderness with a short skin girdle about their loins and their heads shaven; and their skill was in the bow, and in the cimeter, and the ax. And many of them did eat nothing save it was raw meat; and they were continually seeking to destroy us” (Enos 1:20). “…after their dissensions they became more hardened and impenitent, and more wild, wicked and ferocious…giving way to indolence, and all manner of lasciviousness; yea, entirely forgetting the Lord their God” (Alma 47:36). “….who delighted in murdering the Nephites, and robbing and plundering them; and their hearts were set upon riches, or upon gold and silver, and precious stones; yet they sought to obtain these things by murdering and plundering, that they might not labor for them with their own hands. Thus they were a very indolent people, many of whom did worship idols, and the curse of God had fallen upon them…” (Alma 17:24-25).
While I don’t want to give an expose on the characteristics of the ungodly, we do see some of these which are in society and which Latter-day Saints are expressly told to avoid. The Word of Wisdom is most pronounced.
The contract of the wicked are given to us. But then comes the clencher.
“And the Lord God said unto me: They (the Lamanites) shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in remembrance of me; and inasmuch as they will not remember me, and hearken unto my words, they shall scourge them even unto destruction” (2 Nephi 2:25).
That gives a scary scenario! These less than obedient individuals are allowed to remain. Moreover, they will be the one’s who will afflict the righteous when they become not so righteous. Even more, they will scourge them unto destruction. That sounds like a pretty good incentive not to lose your blessed and promised state. Remember, the Lord promised them this land in safety forever if they would remain faithful. If not, then the promise is they will be scourged, even to destruction. We see this take place with the Jaredites, we see it with the Nephites later. The scenario plays out throughout the Old Testament too.
Like most scriptures in the Book of Mormon, this is not the only instance where this counsel is given. Here are a few more. “And if it so be that they rebel against me, they shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in the ways of remembrance” (1 Nephi 2:24). “…the Lord will deliver them up, that thereby they become weak like unto their brethren; and he will no more preserve them by his matchless and marvelous power, as he has hitherto preserved our fathers” (Mosiah 1:13). “…the great slaughter which was among them, would not have happened had it not been for their wickedness and their abomination which was among them; yea, and it was among those also who professed to belong to the church of God” (Helaman 4:11). “…because of iniquity amongst themselves, yea, because of dissensions and intrigue among themselves they were placed in the most dangerous circumstances” (Alma 53:9). “…for it has been their quarrelings and their contentions, yea, their murderings, and their plunderings, their idolatry, their whoredoms, and their abominations, which were among themselves, which brought upon them their wars and their destructions” (Alma 50:21). “…Surely God shall not suffer that we , who are despised because we take upon us the name of Christ, shall be trodden down and destroyed, until we bring it upon us by our own transgressions” (Alma 46:18). “But behold, I say unto you that if ye persist in your wickedness that your days shall not be prolonged in the land, for the Lamanites shall be sent upon you; and if ye repent not they shall come in a time when you know not, and ye shall be visited with utter destruction ;and it shall be according to the fierce anger of the Lord” (Alma 9:18). “…I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall treat them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people…” (3 Nephi 16:15).
If we should think this is something only Mormon, it is also Biblical.
“Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you” (Joshua 23:13). “…he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies. Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the Lord was against them for evil, as the Lord had said, and as the Lord had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed” (Judges 2:14-15). “If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures. But if they obey not, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge” (Job 36:11-12). “Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee, and they wrought great provocations. Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hands of their enemies, who vexed them…they did evil again before thee: therefore lettest thou them in the hand of their enemies, so that they had the dominion over them…yet many years didst thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them by thy spirit in thy prophets: yet would they not give year: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the people of the lands” (Nehemiah 9:26-30). “Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far…” (Jeremiah 5:14-15).
You get the picture. Also take a look at Chapter 28 of Deuteronomy and Chapter 26 of Leviticus. The Lord even tells of the time he used Israel for the destruction of another nation because of their wickedness in Deuteronomy 9:4-5, “Speak not thou in thine heart, after the Lord thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the Lord hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord doth drive them out from before thee. Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
We see how yesterday we described how the Lord would supplant a nation with another nation. A scourge could certainly be so great so as to replace a nation by violence. It doesn’t seem that would be the plan for this nation, just that other nations are being allowed to scourge us. It is an entirely different treatise to show that the Lord will protect and fight the battles for the righteous, perhaps I can cover some of those later (See D&C 98 for a good start). But here we are showing that other nations can scourge us due to not being valiantly obedient.
These promises are also against those who are being allowed to scourge us. This scripture shows that God is no respecter of persons. Those doing the scourging can be scourged if they later reject great obedience to eternal law.
“And they shall be a scourge unto the people of this land. Nevertheless, when they shall have received the fulness of my gospel, then if they shall harden their hearts against me I will return their iniquities upon their own heads, saith the Father” (3 Nephi 20:28).
So we are to be faithful or else have the chances of scourging. Just how disobedient a people have to be for scourging I am not sure. After all, one of the scriptures I referenced earlier (Helaman 4:11) stated that just having blatant disobedience AMONG them could bring upon these problems. A bit of a Lot scenario. Just because there are a few righteous won’t save the rest of them.
The righteous will have some scourging on no account of their own. What are we to do then? “…if men will smite you, or your families, once, and ye bear it patiently and revile not against them, neither seek ye revenge, ye shall be rewarded. But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being meted out as a just measure unto you” (D&C 98:23-24). You go on being obedient and faithful.
I should be wrapping this up. I cannot help but see what applications this could have to us as a people, a church, and as a nation. As we are faithful, the Lord will fight our battles for us and keep us from harm. I do believe this could be by giving us warning and by thwarting the adversary himself or through us. When we find we are more and more vulnerable, perhaps we should not be so quick to point fingers, find vengeance, but to look inward. Find out what we are doing that appears to be lessening our promises from heaven. Does it appear we are being scourged? 9/11 looks like a scourge of some type. The scriptures don’t say the people who scourge us are always wicked, half the time they are only ignorant of God’s laws.
Remember, if we bear it not patiently, it is meted out as just measure unto us. Like President Kimball told of the story of the last summer. When they found out one was going to betray them/Christ they looked inward and asked, “Is it I?” Perhaps we should do the same. When we are afflicted and scourged by other nations, however small, we should ask, “Is it I?” Rather than looking at them who did the scourging with a condescension and looking for revenge, we should look inward and repent.
I know of only one politician currently running for President who subscribes to this idea. Perhaps we should seek them out and learn more of their ideas. After all, they appear to be the most Christian.
“But behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed” (Mormon 4:5).
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FairTax Concerns
There seems to be quite a few little plans on how to reform government floating around. So, I thought I would take a moment to comment on one of them.
I finished reading the FairTax book that was published in 2005. If you are interested more in the book, there is a link to the book in my books section.
There were a few points of thought I wanted to put out there for the record. There is a discussion group here in Richmond who are going to pick it up and discuss it next month. I thought I would make my thoughts available since I will not be present.
Generally, I love the idea of revolutionizing government. I want refreshing new ideas in government. Solving our problems with the same thinking seems asinine to me. Something is wrong, and new ideas are going to be required to correct them. I am quite happy to throw the whole tax code out the window and go for all new. However, the problem of moving the establishment to the new house is that I am afraid the same people might be running the household. So what difference does it make if we have a new heating and air conditioning system if the fools don’t know how to manipulate the thermostat to keep things comfortable?
The FairTax generally seems like a great idea. I like the idea of making the tax code simple and straight forward. Who could possibly be against that?
One of the points they bring out is the fact that the tax code is so completely mind boggling. After all, it does take teams of experts to figure out exactly what it says and even then the IRS is not completely sure how it all comes out in the end. It seems like every little political, special interest, lobbyist wants to come along and tweak it in a certain way. That is the nature of the game of our government. I am not going to get into the aspects of how we have brought this upon ourselves; just the fact is everyone wants to tweak the system to favor them or their buddy. It is a tremendous drag on resources and time in our economy and anything to remove half this burden is probably worth it.
My first problem with the FairTax is why in the world would we think this is going to change? There is nothing in the FairTax that seems to indicate it will require citizen approval or even cognition of what is going on. In fact, it seems the majority of citizens of this country really don’t care about the tax code or anything politically. Running for President is really a popularity game where you say anything to make people your friend. Say the nicest, most far reaching, and promise the most in bonuses and you can have the job. Depending on the mood current, we find ourselves with different parties or sway. If we fear our security, we tend to think Republican; if we feel charitable, we tend to go Democrat. Despite what they say, nobody seems to care much about accountability or proper stewardship.
The fact remains, even with a completely new tax system, if it made it through intact like Linder and Boortz suggest, the lobbyists will still remain. Yes, they will certainly have to recoup and plan a new attack but I am convinced they will be working much harder at working this system than the citizens will be in protecting it. It just seems like it would be another 10-15-20 years before we end up pretty much where we started. If we could get it passed taxing the health care industry, it seems they would find the buttons to press to get themselves some exceptions, exemptions, or exclusions. Perhaps they could even keep the bill from touching them at all. They are a pretty strong lobbying group. But they will keep knocking on representative’s doors until the little tweaks over time amount to big breaks.
To me it seems we should work out the representation of the people and fix the problems leading to this problem first before we trying reforming the system already broke. The infamous “Iron Triangles” will continue until they wear down any bulwarks this system might have. Honestly, I don’t see much in the way of protection to keep the system from being changed back to favoring those who pay for insider links and favors.
Take a look at all the states that have consumption taxes. Most states have different rates for food, medical, or other areas. There is the sin tax, and many other consumption taxes which all have different rates. We have these debates taking place right now. Utah just worked out lowering the consumption taxes for food. Idaho is thinking about it. Why would a federal sales tax be any less inclined to face all these pressures?
My second problem lies in the fact of the prebate. If Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid don’t already smack of intrusion into the market and private realms, let’s start sending a prebate check to every single consumer household in the United States. Last time I checked, there don’t appear to be any households without consumers. We are going to wipe out the IRS, but what about the bureaucracy that will have to replace it to keep track of where a family sits in relation to the poverty line and cut them a check every month for prebate against a consumption tax. We think the government has sway over us due to our taxes, just wait until they are in a sense returning our money to us for basic essentials. Even better, those illegal aliens, those drug meisters, and others who pay their consumption taxes would be mapped if they wanted their prebates. What about the homeless without a bank account or mail address, would it go through the local benefits office continuing to give them money to spend on whatever they spend it on (which is stereotyped as alcohol and cigarettes). Shoot, lets just return the cash to them on a debit card (only for those with mailing addresses) they can only spend on groceries which are healthy, don’t pollute the environment, are not genetically modified, and can sing opera to boot! Oh, we certainly cannot forget to let them pay their heating and air conditioning, but only if they have the new thermostat the State of California can manipulate by remote control. Linder and Boortz want to minimize government intrusion then introduce this which seems to be 3 times the devil the IRS ever was, despite the current abuses. I am pretty sure the lobbyists will find their perks.
What if they cannot find somebody? I am sure the government is not going to set aside in some trust fund their money until the missing people can be found. I very much doubt they will pay them their back prebates when they are found. Doesn’t this seem a bit like the Big Brother scenario the communists scared us about for so long?
Thirdly, another issue brought up in the book is the fact our government, politicians, and lobbyists found ways to sneak the money away from us. Rather than sitting down and writing a check once a year where we know exactly what we are spending and demanding accountability because it hurts, we have implemented withdrawal. Now, we pay a portion of our paycheck without ever having received the money to begin with. Most of us are just excited when we get back a grand or two when in fact we paid many thousands more. If I wrote out a check for the $6,000 I aid in taxes this year to the federal government I would dang sure want to know what they were doing with that painful check. Now, most of us are just myopic enough to be excited to get $1,500 back. Boy, talk about hoodwinked.
Boortz is definitely going to fix it isn’t he? Let’s make a consumption tax where every single person pays every single time they make a purchase. That $5 I spent on lunch now is also paying federal taxes. So at the end of the year, there is absolutely no way for me to account how much I paid in taxes for the year. Sounds like a great idea to me. At least now, I can find out how much I pay in the end, even though I might be excited to get a portion of it back. They make fun of and mock the VAT in the book because of how well the tax is hidden and then propose an inclusive tax? I could swallow this to a degree if it was an exclusive tax, meaning you saw the price of the good and then the tax was added on. If I was a diligent individual, I could know at year end how much I paid in taxes. However, if it is inclusive, there is absolutely no way I would know. That sounds heretical in a society that professes glasnost (openness and transparency), although we can debate how much we actually have. I really don’t mean to keep waving the Communist/Socialist flag it just keeps eking out. You cannot tell me the sin tax would not be re-instituted.
Lastly, this is a point which doesn’t hold as much weight, but certainly seems to be of concern to me. I don’t understand all the aspects really, but this still seems to linger. This consumption tax would supposedly be only on new products or on services. I will pay taxes on the lawyer, the doctor, the hamburger, and the new home. Taxes will be paid on food, daycare, gasoline, cigarettes, and prescription drugs. However, used items will not be taxed. If I purchase a home built 50 years ago, I will pay for the supplies to renovate it, and the services, if employed, to renovate it. This sounds great. What happens when we get to a point, perhaps like some of these European countries where new growth is slower. What happens when we confined the growth of cities and require redevelopment? No taxes would be purchased on the buying of these homes, but on their renovation or decoration. At that point, the housing market which seems such a boom to the economy and especially government coffers would slow considerably. However, the need for revenue’s will drop. When people figure out to purchase that new car and really save thousands. Doesn’t this seem that at some point in the future, this would not be a valid source of income since it will be the big ticket items that will be the money maker? This might be 25, 50, 100, 200 years in the future. But if we are trying to look for long term solutions, this doesn’t really seem like one to me. Like I said, I know this is the weakest point simply because there is so little I know about where most of our current revenues come and projected growth. I would have to really get into some numbers of Europe and see.
There are my issues and problems with the FairTax. I am more than happy to have someone explain how they would get around these. In the end, it seems the problems with our tax system are really only a symptom of some problems with our current government structure. It appears our system is missing some transparency already, the contact with constituents only becomes more distant, and that our desire to force others to live in a certain way is emblematic of deeper problems in government. Yes, taxes, especially income taxes are intrusive and obnoxious, but it is only the fruit of a tree much larger and in need of pruning. After all, why else would I be a Ron Paul supporter?