A. Lietz Field Book No. 704

The morning of 29 November 2025 began at the Orem Utah Temple. That afternoon I visited Provo to document something Dr. James “Jim” T. Ross held in his possession I had never seen. Jim holds two journals that belonged to James Thomas Ross/Meredith, my Great Great Grandfather. On that Thanksgiving break afternoon I photographed all of those two books/journals. More than two hundred photographs in all. This post works through the first of those journals, page by page. Jim’s son, Dane, now holds the journals in his possession. Thank you to Jim and Dane for meeting with me on that occasion and letting me impose to document this important book.

A. Lietz Co. Field Book No. 704 — the journal cover
A. Lietz Co. Field Book No. 704 — the journal cover

The journal is an A. Lietz Co. Field Book No. 704, a brown hardcover surveyor’s field book manufactured in San Francisco. It is worn at the corners, age-stained, and was a working document. The A. Lietz Company appears to have been the premier supplier of surveying instruments and field books in the western United States. James came upon one at some point and repurposed it as a personal journal and scrapbook during his later California years. The traverse data, angles, and station distances running down the margins of many pages almost certainly predate his use of the book. He appears to have acquired and repurposed it, writing his own notes in the spaces between and beside the pre-existing contents and data.

One essential note before turning the pages: this is not a sequential journal. James did not fill it page by page from front to back. He appears to have opened it wherever he found space and written whatever was on his mind that day — current events, family records, financial accounts, scripture, geography, obituaries, trivia. A single page spread may contain entries from five different years, written months or years apart. Some pages are pure pre-existing surveyor’s data that James left entirely untouched. Others carry his own entries on every available line. Reading the journal requires understanding that it does not move chronologically.

The story of how James Thomas Ross/Meredith came to live in Lake County, California, in the late 1930s has been told on this website across a number of posts. The short version: he was born in Pulaski County, Virginia in 1869, the son of Nancy Adelene Shepherd Ross and James Meredith. He spent his early adult years in West Virginia, married Damey Catherine Graham in 1893, and by 1917 had moved his family to the Snake River Plain in Idaho. He was in Paul Idaho in 1925 when their daughter in law, Ethel Sharp Ross died. Jack and Edith’s children, and Jim and Damey’s grandchildren, were with them in Paul until 1926. The attempts at farming and employment in Idaho failed. The 1930 Census shows they relocated to Bend, Oregon. Damey died 3 February 1933 in Marysville, Yuba, California. Jim remarried to Etta Fountain on 6 June 1936 in Sacramento, Sacramento, California. Etta died 21 February 1946 visiting Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona. He remarried to Martha Elnora Brewer on 14 July 1947 in Fresno, Fresno, California. He died 13 April 1951 in Fresno. His death certificate reads James R. Meredith.

Jim Ross in Provo

Jim Ross is the son of Eugene Dale Ross Sr. (1915–1986) and the great-grandson of James Thomas Ross/Meredith. Jim is a retired podiatrist and longtime Provo resident. Eugene served in the 1st Cavalry Division in World War II. He worked as a lathing and plastering contractor in California for forty years. Jim has maintained the family records in FamilySearch for many years.

The Field Book:

Transit table page with Evlin photographs and Patterson campaign card tucked in

Transit table page with Evlin photographs and Patterson campaign card tucked in

Transcription:
Patterson campaign card: For Efficiency in Office — Retain W.M. Patterson Incumbent For County Clerk Lake County — Election August 30 1938.
Written on photograph: Evlin.

Notes:
Three photographs are tucked into this page showing Evelyn Adaway Phibbs Collier — James’s granddaughter, the daughter of Fanny Elizabeth Ross Phibbs. “Evlin” is James’s phonetic rendering. The Patterson campaign card places James in Lakeport during the August 1938 primary election, if he received it personally. William Merrol Patterson (1904–1977) served as Lake County Clerk.

Dockweiler campaign card and Gertrude Coogan portrait tucked in the field book

Dockweiler campaign card and Gertrude Coogan portrait tucked in the field book

Transcription:
Left page — Dockweiler campaign card: Live and Let Live — Elect Congressman John F. Dockweiler (Candidate for Democratic Nomination) For Governor — Let’s Elect a California Man.
Left page — Coogan portrait label: Gertrude M. Coogan — B.S., M.B.A. — Money Creators.
Right page — Oregon has 61 precinks — Ill has 102 Countys — General Pershin[g] Age 80 Years Sept the 13 1940 — in 1860 thanks Given came on Nov the 30 — J.R. Meredith 3. wife or was To be, — Mrs. Marthey E. Brewer Fresno 4 Thesta St. Calif

Notes:
John Francis Dockweiler (1895–1943) sought the Democratic gubernatorial nomination in August 1938, losing to Culbert Olson. Gertrude Margaret Coogan (1898–1986) was best known for her 1935 book Money Creators. Her monetary reform arguments appear in James’s own handwriting later in the journal. The bottom entry records Martha Elnora Brewer’s address — James’s future third wife, whom he married 14 July 1947 in Fresno.

The Pages

Field Book No. 704, pages 1–2

Field Book No. 704, pages 1–2

Transcription:
Left page — Lake View Road [surveyor’s header] — The first factory and where. ans is a Glass fact in James Town. in Va — Lincoln 16 President he Chose William H Seward as Secretary of State. Assassinated April the 15 1865 Vice Pres Johnson become President. — Robert R. Livingstone Swor in George Washing[ton] to US President. — Flag Day is June the 14
Right page — Fought in Court — Petioner is Miss Tess Maria Saline of Los Angeles She calles it a Trick. Pension Plan in July the 22 1938 in Chronicle on Page 2, Col 3 — James R. Meredith Put in 120 — hundred & Twenty dollars to buy a Car to Mrs Etta Meredith July the 1939

Notes:
American history jottings on the left — Jamestown glassworks, Lincoln, Robert R. Livingston, Flag Day. The right page records a pension dispute in the San Francisco Chronicle on 22 July 1938, and James putting $120 toward a car for Etta in July 1939.

Field Book No. 704, pages 3–4

Field Book No. 704, pages 3–4

Transcription:
Left page — For Paint — Birth day Present P 3.50 — Paid by J.R.M. — Joe Louis won his heavy weight Title from James Braddock — Canifear[r]y is the Capte of Austrailia
Right page — J.R. Meredith Signed Papers To Frank Elkins in the same name as his children That is Ross. and they was Excepted the Same papers that was Signed by the name of James R. Meredith Elkins and the attorney Knew Ross and Meredith was the same man. — King George Birth Day. June the 15 1940 — Willington is the Capit of New Zeelion

Notes:
The right page carries a legally significant entry in the journal: James records signing papers to Frank Elkins using the name Ross, and that those papers were accepted the same as papers signed James R. Meredith, because Elkins and the attorney knew Ross and Meredith were the same man. This is James himself documenting the dual-surname situation that has complicated the genealogical record.

Field Book No. 704, pages 5–6

Field Book No. 704, pages 5–6

Transcription:
Left page — For Rheumatism — Potassium. Ioddie — 1. oz in one Pinte of Water and one T Spoon full. 2. Pr. day — the Second world War Broke out Sept 1939
Right page — Succed Pope Pius the 11 — is Pope Pius the 12 from China — Cardmel Perchilie age 63. he is the 2.62 Pope Sence Saint Peter. — Chamberlin Resined as Prime minst of Inglin May the 10 1940 — Churchill Takes his Place as Prime Min in Inglin May the 10 1940

Notes:
A home remedy for rheumatism, then the Second World War broke out in September 1939. The right page tracks Pope Pius XII succeeding Pius XI, and Chamberlain resigning on 10 May 1940, the same day Churchill took his place.

Field Book No. 704, pages 7–8

Field Book No. 704, pages 7–8

Transcription:
Left page — James R. Meredith was Borned 1869 or 1868 in Pulaski County V.a. — The Yanks and the Cin. Reds World Series — Enings: 1 no R / 2 no R / 3 no R / 4 no R / 5 no Runs / 6 no Runs / 7 H. Celler R. one Homer / Dickey Homer 3–1 / 8 0 / 9 0 — Yanks 7 Reds 4 — Hitler Birth Day. April the 20 1940 he is 51 years of age.
Right page — Feb the 1938 Lakeport Calif — J. Meredith and Son Ugene. came. and left at Merced. Feb the 22 1938 — Contatution Signed 1787 — Jessie James was Shot April the 3 1882 — Abe Lincoln was shot April the 15 1864 — 74 years ago — The Sun Runs 66000 miles per Hour. — Mount Eariat is 25,000 feet — Robert Hunt Sade the first Prayer at James Town V.a.

Notes:
A critical genealogical entry: James recording his own birth in 1869 or 1868 in Pulaski County, Virginia. Below that the 1939 World Series inning by inning, Yankees 7 Reds 4. The right page records Eugene Dale Ross Sr, Jim Ross’s father, visiting James in Lakeport in February 1938.

Field Book No. 704, pages 9–10

Field Book No. 704, pages 9–10

Transcription:
Left page — Dec the 25 1937. Lakeport Calif — R.L.R. left here. C.R. Lowell Taken him to Hopland. he was here 18 days. Came the 11 of Dec 1937 — Mary Ball was George Washington’s Mother. — Afram Turhune was Washington Gran Father. Martha Vestis was his wife a widow with 4 Children — Vern got drunk and had a fight with Mr. Russell Jan the 15 1938 — Bord met Jan the 10 and met again the 13 — Sent a letter To Florence Turner Jan the 7 1938 — Visited as wells Sunday the 1938 — Earth Quake Jan the 10 1938 — Jan the 16 1938 Rained all day
Right page — Franklin Delano Roosevelt President U.A. — Jan the 14 1938 James R. Meredith recieved his first old age help. in Lakeport Calif. $35.00 — Clipper plane took on the sea Captain Edward C. Musick Jan the 11 1938. No of men last of 7 aBoard — Plane Held Jan the 16 1938 men last was No 10 at Bozman Mont — Plane fell off the Coast of Calif Coming Clone. Crue of 7 Jan the 6 1938

Notes:
Robert Leonard Ross, James’s oldest son, born 1888, left Lakeport on Christmas Day 1937 after an 18-day visit. Charles Raymond Lowell (24 May 1888 — September 1967) drove him to Hopland. Lowell was Etta Fountain’s son by her first husband Charles Henry Lowell, born in Sacramento, a traveling salesman in Chicago during World War I, moving through Seattle, Honolulu, and Ellis Island in the early 1920s, in San Francisco by 1935 and San Mateo County by 1940. James refers to him throughout this journal as Dr. C.R. Lowell. The December 1935 entry records James borrowing $125 from him. C.R. loaned money, hosted Christmas dinners, and employed James as a day laborer. When Etta died 21 February 1946 in Phoenix while visiting Charles Raymond, he returned her remains to Sacramento for burial in the Fountain family plot. James gave him money for a wreath. Charles Raymond died in Phoenix in September 1967.

The right page records James’s first old age assistance payment of $35 on 14 January 1938. The remaining entries track the loss of the Samoan Clipper, piloted by Captain Edwin C. Musick, which disappeared on 11 January 1938 near Pago Pago.

Field Book No. 704, pages 11–12

Field Book No. 704, pages 11–12

Transcription:
Left page — Jan the 14 1938 Lakeport Calif — James R. Meredith bought a Jersey Cow for $50.00 from Mr. Harper. — Jan the 23 1938 Butter Sald to Mrs McCutchon 18¢ — Phillywine has bin a Teritory for 37 years to U.S. — The first Crop of wheat was Raised in Canires in 1870 — Cattle Ship was Sunk by the US navey — March the 1938 Los Angeles Flood — March 5 flood at Fresno — March the Plane lost with 9 People.
Right page — Jan the 21 1938 Lakeport Calif — Hyman Droped Joe. at 11 P.M. Dancing with Mrs Bogudons. at Kelsivelle. Bohoc us — Mr. Martin Feb the 25 1938 — 25 milk 10 cts / 26 10 / 27 10 / 28 10 / 28 40 — March 1938: 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 — Total 90

Notes:
James bought a Jersey cow for $50 from Mr. Harper on 14 January 1938 and ten days later was selling butter to Mrs. McCutchon for 18 cents. The March 1938 California flood entries. The right page records dancing at Mrs. Bogudons’ in Kelseyville and a milk account with Mr. Martin totaling 90 cents.

Field Book No. 704, pages 13–14

Field Book No. 704, pages 13–14

Transcription:
Left page — Jan the 17 1938 milk to Mrs Russell — 17 2 qts cream ½ P 80 — 19 1 lb of Butter 20 — ½ P. cream 35 — 21 M 2 qts 10 — 22 Cream 1.P 20 — milk 20 — 26 milk 20 — 27 milk 20 — 29 20 — 31 Cream milk 80 — Total 23 5[0] — Feb the 1938: 2 milk 2 qts Butter 1 lb Cream 50 — 4 milk cream 20 — 6 M and Cream 20 — 8 M Cream 20 — 10 M 40 — 12 M cream 20 — 14 Cream 4 85 — 16 M 20 — 18 M 20 — 20 M Cream 40 — 22 M 20 — 24 M Cream 30
Right page — 26 M 20 cts — 28 M 20 — March 1938: 20 ct / 30 / 40 / 20 — Total 49 50 / 30 20 — Jan. The 1 1940 — James R. Meredith and wife Etta was home all day. it is a raining it has bin raining 2 days and nights. We spent Xmas in San Francisco 7 days and went to Dr. Lowells in Sacramento 2 days.

Notes:
Detailed milk, cream, and butter sales to Mrs. Russell through January and February 1938. The right page jumps to New Year’s Day 1940: James and Etta home all day in the rain, having spent Christmas in San Francisco for seven days then two days at Dr. Lowell’s in Sacramento.

Field Book No. 704, pages 15–16

Field Book No. 704, pages 15–16

Transcription:
Left page — A Formula for Meat — 100 lbs meat Salt 10 lbs — 3 lbs Brown Sugar — 1 ounce Salt Petre — 1 ounce of Red Pepper — ½ ounce Black Pepper — Leave Side meat in 5 weeks — Hams and Shoulders 6 weeks then Soak in Cold water 3 to 4 days — lay it out over night and dry Salt. Then Pack in Barrell. Sprinkle Salt on as you Pack. Then Put on Brine Boil the Brine and Take off the Scum. Then Put it back in the Barrell — The first worlds Series Base Ball was Played in 1903 The Yanks has won 27 out of 34 Series
Right page — May The 15 1938 — A Plane with 9 People Crashed and found killed near Bakersfield — To Grow in Grace is To Grow in Love. We are saved By Grace. This is Love and God is Love. So we are saved by God. — Politician. Henman wrote the boy Stood on the Burning Deck. — The first Congress was held in the year of 1789

Notes:
A full meat-curing formula — hog-butchering knowledge from his Virginia and West Virginia roots. The right page opens with the 15 May 1938 Bakersfield plane crash, then a passage of religious reflection. “The boy stood on the burning deck” is the opening line of Felicia Hemans’s 1826 poem Casabianca, misattributed by James to a politician named Henman.

Field Book No. 704, pages 17–18

Field Book No. 704, pages 17–18

Transcription:
Left page — June the 21 Longest day — Sept the 23 Equile — Dec the 21 Longest night — March the 21 Equile — Slang name for Oklahoma is Suner — Indiana Hoosier State — 1 cubic foot of Gold weigh 1,200 lbs — melt Copper and Zinc Together makes Brass — Canada to increase her military Strength
Right page — June The 20 1935 meredith — Mrs Damie Ross was Sealed to James T.R. meredith in the temple at Salt Lake City Sister Romney acted as Proxie. — Roosevelt Speech To Congress Jan the 4 1939 — Bar B.Q. for Olson in Sacramento Jan The 7 1939

Notes:
Solstices, equinoxes, state nicknames, metallurgy, Canada’s military buildup on the left. The right page contains a significant genealogical entry: on 20 June 1935, James records that Damie Ross was sealed to him at the Salt Lake City Temple, with Sister Romney acting as proxy. FamilySearch confirms both James and Damey’s initiatory and endowment were performed the same day. The sealing was posthumous. Damey had died 3 February 1933. James was sixty-five and would marry Etta Fountain the following year, in June 1936.

Field Book No. 704, pages 19–20

Field Book No. 704, pages 19–20

Transcription:
Left page — Feb the 2 1939 Lakeport Calif — Bird. Gileland. was found Dead on the floor at his home by Mr. Watson — Pope Pious will be Bearied Tuesday Feb the 14 1939 — 1.61 first Pope — Pope Pious the 12 name is Cardnel Erchinia Perchilia the 1.62 Pope — The name of the Dove in the ark was Bertano — Trinton City is the Capt of new Jersy
Right page — 1789 first Congress met March the 11 Eleven States 1789 met 22 Seniters. 56 for the House — Washington Emourifated President. John Adams Vice President. March the 4 1939 — 150 years later they all meet in Wash. D.C. — President J. Franklin D Roosevelt 32 President. Vice P John. Nance. James Vice P — 76 Congress. 435 members of the House. Senit members 96 — the first Congress met on a Wedndsday 1789 this Congress met on Saturday March the 1939. Geo Washington Taken office april the 30 1789 — name of the Dove Bertano ark

Notes:
Bird James Gilliland was found dead on the floor of his home by Mr. Watson on 2 February 1939 in Lakeport. Gilliland had been born 15 January 1873 in Mount Ayr, Iowa, and was buried in Lakeport on 8 February 1939. The right page compares the First Congress of 1789 with the 76th Congress of 1939 at the 150th anniversary.

Field Book No. 704, pages 21–22

Field Book No. 704, pages 21–22

Transcription:
Left page — Saint Patric was Sold as a Slave in the year of 372. A.D. To Ireland — The 16 of March is Saint Joseph Day — Birth of Democracy was 1789 — In Egypt. There is Mountain 6 miles high Mount Everet or Eariat. — King Henry the 8 had 6 Wifes — Farilone Island. west of San Francisco 26 miles out There is 23 People live There. They Vote in San Francisco. it is a Light House Island noted for a resting Place all Kinds of Birds. They Get There Drinking water from a Tenist Court Rain water. Fearforino Island is Knowin as Goat Island
Right page — Birth Day of Boy Skauts was Feb the 1910 — Hubert Clark Hoover 1928 to 1931 President of USA — March the 9 1934 is Mother inlaw Day was the first Mother in law Day March 1934 was the first Mother inlaw Day — Venise St in San Francisco Taken its name from a mare at Sampson he lived on This Street. — March the 9 1934 was the first Mother in law Day — March the 1938 a Plane was lost with 7 People near Frezno. — Hitler Takes over Austry Hungear March the 11 1938 — Clarence Darro died March the 13 1938 he was Borned 1857 — Vienna the Capit of Austry

Notes:
The Farallon Islands 26 miles west of San Francisco, drinking water collected from a tennis court. Yerba Buena Island identified as Goat Island. Boy Scouts founded February 1910. Mother-in-Law Day on 9 March 1934 recorded twice. Venise Street in San Francisco named for a mare at Sampson’s. Hitler annexing Austria on 11 March 1938 with Hungary also noted. Clarence Darrow died 13 March 1938.

Field Book No. 704, pages 23–24

Field Book No. 704, pages 23–24

Transcription:
Left page — Madam Chants Ki Sheck is 40 years of age March the 25 1938 She was Educated U.S.A. — Appaily won the decision over Lee April the 1 1938 — Joe Louis won over Thomas in the 5 Round. April the 1938 — President Franklin D Roosevelt Spoke 45 min April the 15 1938 — James R. Meredith Got a letter Stating he would have to be in the State 15 years to be Eligible for old age Pension. April the 21 1938
Right page — The Democratic Party founded by Thomas Jefferson in 1790 — a man named Decader Created the cross on Top of the hill in San Francisco. 1920 Blue Mountain Davis Park James. Decader — Cherlie Temple was 9 years of age April the 23 1938 — unidisit is a wife tapattle William. Bada is the name of Buffalo Bill

Notes:
James received a letter in April 1938 stating he would need 15 years of California residency for the full old age pension. This explains the modest $35 assistance payment recorded earlier. Shirley Temple was 9 years old on 23 April 1938, James writes Cherlie.

Field Book No. 704, pages 25–26

Field Book No. 704, pages 25–26

Transcription:
Left page — The Wage Hour law became law Oct the 25 at mid night. — Robert C. Leonard was operated on at Napa Calif Oct the 18 1938 — A woman named was Eleecia. was used by Nero to Poison People that he did not like — Abe Lincoln’s wife name was Mary Todd.
Right page — Montreo the largest City in Conida — Otiwa the Capt of Conida — the Goverment of the People by the People For the People afe Speech at Linton Burg. 1863 Pennilvania — Dals Oregon is in Wasco County Oregon grove. Population. July the 1938 first Boat to arive at Bonivell and to the Dals are. — Suris River runs out of Conidy in To Iowa and Back into Conidy

Notes:
The Fair Labor Standards Act became effective midnight 25 October 1938. The right page mixes Canadian geography with the Gettysburg Address paraphrased from memory, Oregon geography including The Dalles and Bonneville Dam, and the Missouri River running out of Canada into Iowa.

Field Book No. 704, pages 27–28

Field Book No. 704, pages 27–28

Transcription:
Left page — Mr. Water Alen first To Speak on the Talkies. Moving Picture — Augustis Seizer was Borned 2000 years ago. Sept the 25 1938 — Oct the 12 is Columbus Day 1492 — John D. Rockerfellow left about 26 and ½ million Dolars Estate — Earth treamer No the 8 1938
Right page — Life Payment Act Reorganised No the 9 1938 — The Banking Sistem cuts 95 83 9 interest on Every single Dol a year — meredith I believe in working in Sted of weeping Take Things as they Come with a Smile. Do all the Good you Can to others. and you will be happy. — Pope Gragger Changed Xmas from Jan the 6 To Dec the 25

Notes:
The right page contains a more personal entry in the journal, James writing in his own voice: I believe in working in Sted of weeping. Take Things as they Come with a Smile. Do all the Good you Can to others. and you will be happy. Seems like a good motto.

Field Book No. 704, pages 29–30

Field Book No. 704, pages 29–30

Transcription:
Left page — President Wilson’s Wife name is Mrs Edith Bolling Wilson. Wilson died 1924 — Oct the 27 1940 is Navy Day — Franklin D. Roosevelt was Elected for the 3 Time. by 449 Electoral Votes Nov the 1940 — Wilftie Got 82 Electoral Votes
Right page — Charls Dickens wrote the Xmas Carol — J.R. Meredith and Mrs Etta Meredith went To San Francisco Dec the 25 To Mr. C.R. Lowells for Xmas Dinner. and back to Lakeport the 26 1938 had a nice time. received lots of Presents. Xmas Came on Sunday and the new year on Sunday. — John Brown. was Hanged on a tree in Johnstown

Notes:
Roosevelt’s third election with 449 electoral votes over Wendell Willkie’s 82. The right page records James and Etta traveling to San Francisco on Christmas Day 1938 to Charles Raymond Lowell’s for Christmas dinner, returning on the 26th. Christmas and New Year’s both fell on Sunday. This entry, combined with the New Year’s Day 1940 entry on pages 13–14, establishes a pattern of James and Etta spending Christmas with Charles Raymond Lowell each year. John Brown was actually hanged at Charles Town, Virginia in 1859, not Johnstown.

Field Book No. 704, pages 31–32

Field Book No. 704, pages 31–32

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — Nov the 5 1940 — Pres Franklin D. Roosevelt was reelected to the Presidency of the USA the only man to be Elected for the 3 term he was Elected in 1932 1936 — 1940 — James. R. Meredith — and Reelected in 1944. for the 4 term [crossed out]. Died April the 12 1945 Warm Springs Gorga

Notes:
The left page is pure surveyor’s data. The right page tracks Roosevelt’s career across two writing sessions, November 1940 recording his third election, then in different ink his 1944 fourth-term reelection and death on 12 April 1945 at Warm Springs, Georgia.

Field Book No. 704, pages 33–34

Field Book No. 704, pages 33–34

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — April the 6 1941 — the Jermons flew over invasion at 5. A.M. fake alarm

Notes:
On 6 April 1941, James recorded that the Germans flew over in an invasion at 5 A.M. — then added it was a false alarm. Almost certainly a reference to an air raid alert that swept the California coast during the anxious early months of American war preparedness.

Field Book No. 704, pages 35–36

Field Book No. 704, pages 35–36

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — Saint Ann. was the mother of. Mary The Gran Mother. of Christ. She was Past the age to Bare Children. when Christ was Born

Notes:
James records the apocryphal tradition that Saint Anne was the mother of the Virgin Mary and grandmother of Christ, and was past childbearing age when Mary was born.

Field Book No. 704, pages 37–38

Field Book No. 704, pages 37–38

Transcription:
Left page — Harry R. Bell Was Called first his no was 158 in the Draft Oct the 29 1940
Right page — Sep the 3 the Athenia Ship with 400 People Sank by Germany — Tom Wells left the the for Itly 1940 17 — the 4 of July Came on Thursday 1940 — Tomas Jeferson. 2. Pres John. Adams. 3. Pres Bothe Died the Same Day. July the 4 [crossed out] only not the Same Year

Notes:
Harry R. Bell was called first in the draft, number 158 drawn on 29 October 1940, the first peacetime draft lottery in American history. The right page records the sinking of the Athenia on 3 September 1939; Tom Wells leaving for Italy on 17 July 1940; and Jefferson and Adams both dying on 4 July. James noting “only not the Same Year,” though they died the same year, 1826.

Field Book No. 704, pages 39–40

Field Book No. 704, pages 39–40

Transcription:
Left page — Senitor Glass from Va age 83 Jan the 5 1941 Died may the 1945 87 of the 1946 88
Right page — The Berma Road in China was opened Oct the 17 1940 news Direct from China — Presiden Roosvelt Speech May The 27 1941

Notes:
Senator Carter Glass of Virginia (1858–1946), a fellow Virginian James was tracking, noting his age as 83 in January 1941 and his death in 1946 at age 88. Carter Glass was a prominent Virginia Democrat and co-author of the Federal Reserve Act. The right page records the reopening of the Burma Road on 17 October 1940 and Roosevelt’s unlimited national emergency speech of 27 May 1941.

Field Book No. 704, pages 41–42

Field Book No. 704, pages 41–42

Transcription:
Left page — J. R. Meredith went to work for C.R. Lowell Aug the 1944 — 24 one Day Per Day $3.33 — 25 one Day 3.33 — 26 one Day 3.33 — 27 one Day 3.33 — 28 one Day for 5 Days 3.33 — 29 one Day 3.33 — 30 one Day Received Cash $25.00 3.33 — 31 one Day Aug the 31. 1944 — Sept The 1 1944 $25.00 — [days 1–20 continuing at $3.33 then $3.95 then $3.93 per day with weekly totals] — new mana[gement]
Right page — J. R. Meredith went to work for Walden Sept the 11 — 1944 — Sept. 1944 — 21 one Day $3.93 — 22 one Day 3.93 — 23 one Day Birthday 3.90 — 24 one Day 27.5[1] — [days 25–30 continuing] — OCT the 1 Sunday one Day [days trailing off]

Notes:
These pages contain the most detailed employment record in the journal. In August 1944 James went to work for C.R. Lowell, at $3.33 per day, recording each day worked through the end of August and into September, receiving $25 cash on 31 August. The daily rate shifted to $3.95 and then $3.93, possibly reflecting a change in management noted at the bottom of the left page. Then on 11 September 1944 James went to work for someone named Walden, continuing the daily record through the rest of September. The 23 September entry is noted as his birthday. James was 74 years old in September 1944 and still working as a day laborer, recording each day carefully in his surveyor’s field book.

Field Book No. 704, pages 43–44

Field Book No. 704, pages 43–44

Transcription:
Left page — Oct The 2 1944 — [dates 2–17 listed with no entries beside them]
Right page — Galileiro invented the Penilum. Clock

Notes:
The left page is a continuation of the October 1944 work record. James listing the days of the month but leaving the entries blank. The daily employment record simply stops. The right page holds a single isolated entry: Galileo invented the pendulum clock. James’s spelling is characteristic — Galileiro and Penilum. Galileo did discover the isochronous properties of the pendulum around 1602, and his work laid the foundation for the pendulum clock, though the first practical pendulum clock was built by Christiaan Huygens in 1656.

Field Book No. 704, pages 45–46

Field Book No. 704, pages 45–46

Transcription:
Left page — Joseph Taken mary and the Child and fled into Egypt. be matthew C. 61 V. 14, 15, 19, 21, 23 — but Luke C. 2, V. 22, 39 Says he was Taken To Jerusalem. — There was one woman at the Sepulcher. John C 20 V. 1 but matthew C. 28. V. 1 Says it was 2 woman. and mark C. 16 V. 1 Says it was. 3. and Luke C. 24. V. 10 Says it was more Then. 3. — matthew C 12 V. 40 Says Christ was 3 Days and 3 nights in the Grave. but it was only 2 Days and 2 nights in the Grave. Count it your Self. — be mark C. 15 and C. 16
Right page — God Dwells in Light first Timothy. C. 6. V. 16 — God Dwells in Darkness first Kings C. 8 V. 12. and C. 18 V. 11 — Psalms C. 97 V. 2 God is Satisfide with his workes — Genesis C. 1 V. 31 God is not Satisfide with his workes — Genesis C. 6 V. 6 God is not the other of Evil. Psalms 5. 19 V. 7 8 — first Corin. C. 14 V. 33 — James C. 1 V. 13. God is the other of Evil. Thus Saith the Lord I frame Evil. Jeremiah C. 18 V. 11 and Isaiah C. 45. V. 7 and Amos C. 3 V. 6 — Ezekiel C. 20. V. 25 God Deceives the People — Jeremiah C. 4 V. 10 be first Kings C. 22 V. 22. 23 Judges C. 9 V. 23 and Ezek. C. 14 V. 9 The Lord Told Israel To Borrow Every thing the Could from Egyptian — Exodus C. 3 V. 21. 22 thou Shal not Rob the neighbor. Lev. C. 15 V. 2 3

Notes:
These pages reveal a side of James not seen before in the journal, a biblical student working through apparent contradictions with chapter and verse. The left page examines the flight into Egypt versus Luke’s account of the presentation in Jerusalem, the number of women at the sepulcher across the four Gospels, and the calculation of days and nights Christ was in the grave. The right page lists contradictions about the nature of God, whether God dwells in light or darkness, is satisfied with his works or not, is the author of evil. Each claim paired with its citation. Serious theological inquiry, not casual note-taking.

Field Book No. 704, pages 47–48

Field Book No. 704, pages 47–48

Transcription:
Left page — The Mollie. Maguires was Cole miners in Penn[sylvania] — Carson City Nevada The Smallis Capital in U.S.A. — Miss. Mary. Tod. was The wife of Abe Lincoln — We are forbiden to Put our interpretation on the Bible. Second Peter C. 1. V. 20 So we must Except it as it Says men of old wrote it as they were Directed by God.
Right page — There was 800 000 of Israel. and 500 000 of Juda. Second Sam. C 24 V. 9 but first Chron. C. 21 V. 5 Says there was 1.100 000 of Israel. and 4.70 000 of Juda. God Knew his figures Dont you Think. or Did he — Christ mission was not Peace. matthew C. 10 V. 34 and Luke C. 12. V. 49 — hear is Some of the Laws. how would you like to live by Them. Exodus C. 31 V. 14 15 and C. 34. V. 19 20. and C. 35 V. 2. 3 Read Leviticus C. 12 V. 1 to 8. C. 24 V. 16. 23 Numbers C. 8 V. 17. 18. C. 15. V. 32 to 36 C. 25 V. 1 to 4 and C. 31 — Deuteronomy C. 13 V. 6 to 10. C. 14. V. 21 C. 17. V. 12. 13 — Read C. 21. C 22. V. 21 Dent C. 25. V. 11. 12 and a law to Kill your own Son and Sell your Daughter.

Notes:
The Mollie Maguires were Irish-American coal miners in Pennsylvania, hanged in the 1870s. Carson City as the smallest state capital. Mary Todd Lincoln. James writes we are forbidden to put our own interpretation on the Bible (Second Peter 1:20), and must accept it as written by men directed by God. The right page lists Old Testament laws from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, asking whether the reader would want to live by them. The tension with his left-page statement is worth noting: he insists the Bible must be taken as written, then works through passages that raise questions. He lets the citations speak for themselves.

Field Book No. 704, pages 49–50

Field Book No. 704, pages 49–50

Transcription:
Left page — Jeremiah C. 20 V. 7 Says God Deceived him — Now you Read this law. Dent C. 13. V. 6. 8. 10 and C. 17. V. 2 to V. 12 — and C. 27 V. 14 to 26 and C. 28 and C. 29 God made Slaves of his People. Read Exodus C. 21 V. 3 6 V. 26 27 Levitus C. 25. V. 44. 45 and Exodus C. 13. V. 1. 2 and V. 12 and Levitus C. 27 V. 29 Numbers C. 13 V. 3 Judges C. 11. V. 39 Dent C. 27. and Numbers C. 30 and Dent C. 23. V. 21 Second Sam C. 21. V. 8 to 14 and Read Levit C. 26. V. 14 to 28 Dent C. 28. V. 53 58 Jeremiah C. 19 V. 9 Ezek C. 5. V. 10 Read the whole Chapter. Dent C. 7. V. 1. 2. 10 and Dent. C. 20. V. 13. 14 and C. 21. V. 10 to 16 and numbers C. 31. V. 14 to 18 Some 60.000 the women and Children was murdered. Dent. C. 22. V. 13 to 21 Numbers C. 15. V. 32 to 36 Dent C. 23. V. 1 Some laws. Dont you agree —
Right page — you Can Take the Bible and Prove a lie to be the truth and Prove the truth to be a lie. in matthew C. 2 V. 13 14 Says Joseph was warned of God to Take the Child Jesus and his mother and flee into Egypt but Luke C. 2. V. 21. 22 and V. 39. Says they Taken him To Jerusalem V. 38 and they returned to there own City Galilee city of Nazareth. is Both those Prophes the Truth. Luke Says the Gentiles Put Christ to Death C. 18 V. 32. 33 but John C. 19 Says it was the Jews. are they Both Correct.? Luke C. 23. V. 44 Says it was about the 6. Hour. but mark Says C. 15 V. 25 it was the 3 Hour. Who is Correct.? Second Kings C. 2. V. 1 and V. 11 Says Elijah went up to heaven. but John C. 3. V. 13 Says no man Ever went up to heaven. if you Think Jehovah was a merciful

Notes:
The left page is a dense catalogue of Old Testament passages, ending: Some laws. Dont you agree. The right page opens with: you Can Take the Bible and Prove a lie to be the truth and Prove the truth to be a lie. James works through contradictions, the flight into Egypt versus Jerusalem, who put Christ to death, what hour of crucifixion, whether Elijah ascended to heaven. The page ends mid-sentence, if you Think Jehovah was a merciful, concluded on the next page.

Field Book No. 704, pages 51–52

Field Book No. 704, pages 51–52

Transcription:
Left page — God. Read numbers C. 31 how he Taught moses To Kill and Rob. and how he taught moses in Exodus C. 12 Isac the Hebrews To Borrow from the Egyptian and never paid any thing Back. and how he Deceived the People Read Jeremiah C. 4. V. 10 and C. 20. V. 7 and C. 13 V. 13. 14 and how he Put a lying Spirit in the Prophets mouth To Deceive Read Second Kings C. 22. V. 22. 23 and Read Isaiah C. 45. V. 7 Read C. 61. V. 8. 9 he Dont Believe in Robbing Read C. 63. V. 4. 5. 6. and V. 17 Read Amos C. 3. V. 6 Ezek C. 20. V. 25 Read Jeremiah C. 18. V. 11 Read Isaiah. C. 13. V. 16. 17. 18
Right page — [Surveyor’s data only]

Notes:
The sentence from page 50, if you Think Jehovah was a merciful, is completed here with God. James continues his catalogue: God commanding Moses to kill and rob, teaching the Hebrews to borrow from the Egyptians without repaying, deceiving the people, putting a lying spirit in the mouths of prophets. He ends with Isaiah 13:16–18. This is the most intellectually sustained writing in the journal, seven pages of biblical inquiry. The right page is surveyor’s data only.

Field Book No. 704, pages 53–54

Field Book No. 704, pages 53–54

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — The Corner Stone of the Lifeone at Hides Park was Laid. Nov the 19 1939 — Thomas. Woodro the Willson 28 President

Notes:
The right page records the laying of the cornerstone of the Roosevelt Library and Museum at Hyde Park, New York on 19 November 1939. James writing Lifeone for Library and Hides Park for Hyde Park. Roosevelt himself laid the cornerstone before nearly 1,000 people. The second entry notes Woodrow Wilson as the 28th President.

Field Book No. 704, pages 55–56

Field Book No. 704, pages 55–56

Transcription:
Left page — Jan The 15 1939 Mr. attorney Brady Sade to day that he would not Put any thing in the way of Gov. Olson m[aking] granting Tom Mooney a Pardon. for he Sad he had Knew for 14 years that the Evidence that Put Mooney in Prison was with out Foundations. Why then did they Keep him Thare. is the Corts always Corect
Right page — Nov the 1938 the Dolar liner Changed its name to American President — A Deckade is 10 years — Carl Marks was the Founder of Comanist — Britain has 2 Parties the Conservitas and the Lifeones. The USA has the Democrat and the Republican

Notes:
The Tom Mooney case, one of the most famous wrongful convictions in American labor history. Mooney had been convicted of the 1916 Preparedness Day Bombing and imprisoned for over two decades. On 15 January 1939 attorney Brady stated he would not oppose Governor Olson granting a pardon, having known for 14 years the evidence was without foundation. Olson pardoned Mooney on 7 January 1939. James’s question is pointed: Why then did they Keep him Thare. is the Corts always Corect.

The right page notes the Dollar Steamship Line changing its name to American President Lines in November 1938. Karl Marx as founder of Communism, James writes Carl Marks and Comanist. Britain’s two parties, the Conservatives and the Liberals, James writing Lifeones for Liberals, the same phonetic rendering as Lifeone for Library on pages 53–54, compared with America’s Democrats and Republicans.

Field Book No. 704, pages 57–58

Field Book No. 704, pages 57–58

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Left page — Humidy is High Jan Swet the most Humidy is Judged by the moisture in the Air — Henry Ford was 75 yrs of age July the 29 1938 — Joe Rasen Brought Will Rogers and his Pardner Back to USA after the Crash 1935 — Will Rodgers was a indian
Right page — [Surveyor’s data — Honeymoon Cove] — a Man Can Get on First base 4 diferent ways with out Hitting the Ball. first by a walk. Second Catcher. Enumerating the Strike. Third by a hit Ball. forth by a droped Ball. — in the White Cap Crime killing a man. Will Perso. was Convicted for a crime he never Commited. 2 years later the forman of the Jury Confest the Crime — California admitted to USA in 1850

Notes:
Humidity measured by moisture in the air. Henry Ford turned 75 on 29 July 1938. Will Rogers, the Cherokee humorist and actor, died in a plane crash near Point Barrow, Alaska on 15 August 1935 along with aviator Wiley Post; James notes he was an Indian. The four ways a batter can reach first base without hitting the ball. The White Cap crime entry records a man named Will Perso convicted of a killing he never committed, with the jury foreman confessing two years later. California admitted to the USA in 1850.

Field Book No. 704, pages 59–60

Field Book No. 704, pages 59–60

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Left page — Chamberlin from Ingland visited Hitler Sept the 15 — 1938 — 17 — Saint Johns day is Oct the 23 — Saint Joseph day is March the 19 the Birds that is Swallows leave the west Oct the 23 the 19 of March they return
Right page — Finger Printing first Started in China and finished in France. Fish do here. they have ears under there Skull. — 1789 the Contution was writen James Madison wrote in free Speech free Esemily free Religion — Robert E. Lee Run his race 200 Miles in 18.72 — Albert Dier was hanged Friday Sept the 15 — 1938

Notes:
Chamberlain visited Hitler on 15 September 1938, the first of three meetings leading to the Munich Agreement. Saint John’s Day on 23 October and Saint Joseph’s Day on 19 March, with swallows leaving on 23 October and returning on 19 March. The right page covers fingerprinting originating in China, fish having ears under their skulls, the Constitution written in 1789 with James Madison credited for free speech, free assembly (James writes Esemily), and free religion. Robert E. Lee running a 200-mile race in 1872, details unclear. Albert Dier hanged on Friday 15 September 1938.

Field Book No. 704, pages 61–62

Field Book No. 704, pages 61–62

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Left page — The Grange was instituted 1884 — Frankfooter. aded to the Supream Cort bench Jan the 5 1939 by Roosevelt — Rome is Called The Everlasting City because never bin Destroied — a man by the name of Shampain is the Father of Canida. as George Washington is the Father of USA — Emma Goleman Died may the 14 1940 She was the age of 70 years
Right page — There is 796 Langies Spoken in the world. — Nov the 24 164 years ago the Decleration of Independance was Signed — Gosnor Bradford Sent out Some men for Some Birds and they Brought back Turkeys. and he Called it Thanks Given day 16 21

Notes:
The Grange instituted in 1884. Felix Frankfurter added to the Supreme Court bench by Roosevelt on 5 January 1939. Rome as the Eternal City. Samuel de Champlain as the father of Canada, paralleled with George Washington as the father of the USA. Emma Goleman died 14 May 1940 at age 70. The right page records 796 languages spoken in the world. The Declaration of Independence signed 164 years ago, placing this entry around 1940. Governor Bradford sent men for birds, they returned with turkeys, and he called it Thanksgiving Day in 1621.

Field Book No. 704, pages 63–64

Field Book No. 704, pages 63–64

Transcription:
Left page — The Govner Called Thanks Givin July the 30 in 1623 — Prs Madison had one Thanks Givin in Dec and one in April. — Abe Lincoln the First President to make Thanks Givin national holiday in 1863.
Right page — the Distance to the moon is 238000 — Italians Joined the War on Jan the 10 — 1940 — The 284 Day of the war Italion warned the USA in the Speech — Bulgeary went over to the Axes. March 1 — 1941

Notes:
The left page continues the Thanksgiving origin story from pages 61–62. Governor Bradford called it Thanks Giving on 30 July 1623. President Madison had one Thanksgiving in December and one in April. Abraham Lincoln made Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863. The right page records the distance to the moon as 238,000 miles. On the 284th day of the war, Italy warned the USA in a speech. Bulgaria went over to the Axis on 1 March 1941.

Field Book No. 704, pages 65–66

Field Book No. 704, pages 65–66

Transcription:
Left page — Dec The 19 1938 — Rash is Russia. Meshech is Moscow. Tubal is Tofalsk. — Anti Christ is Political Leader Mussalini. — 8000 Treaties has bin Signed witch was to last for Ever but avarised only 2 years. — The True Church Col. 1.18 the Harlet Rev 17. 9. 18 the Pope in Hebrew Spells 6.66 in Greek it means the Latin King. and Spells 6.66 The Pope Wears no 666 on the Lapel of his Coat Has history will Conker the Vatican Rome is in
Right page — Vaticins Fili Dei all Popes has D 500 this name of V 5 Honor C 100 V 5 L 50 666 — Germany Taken Paris France June the 14 1940 She will Take Every Thing they Can Get look out U.S.A. — J. R. Meredith

Notes:
James identifies Rosh as Russia, Meshech as Moscow, and Tubal as Tobolsk, a dispensationalist reading of Ezekiel 38. He identifies the Anti-Christ as Mussolini, and notes 8,000 treaties signed to last forever but averaging only two years. The right page works out the calculation that the papal title Vicarius Filii Dei yields 666 in Roman numerals (D=500, V=5, C=100, V=5, L=50) — a common anti-Catholic argument in Protestant prophecy literature. Germany taking Paris on 14 June 1940 follows with, James’s warning: will Take Every Thing they Can Get. look out U.S.A. The page closes with his signature: J. R. Meredith.

Field Book No. 704, pages 67–68

Field Book No. 704, pages 67–68

Transcription:
Left page — Henry Ford July the 30 was 77 years of age 1940 — Speaker. W.B. Bank Head Died Sept the 15 1940 — President Pierce 1853 — 1856 — Zachiran Taylor 1847 — To 1851 — Lincoln 1860
Right page — [Surveyor’s data — Honeymoon Cove] — Windel. Wilkie’s old home where he was Born. Elwood Ind. now Candidate for Pres as Republican 1940 he was Born Feb the 18 92 he Accepts the Candidacy of President of the Republican Party 1940 he was Excepted Aug the 17 — 1940 — Van Cooter was Bomed June the 20 1942 Oregon Coast was Bomed June the 21 — 1942

Notes:
Henry Ford turned 77 on 30 July 1940. Speaker William Brockman Bankhead died 15 September 1940. Presidential terms: Franklin Pierce 1853–1856, Zachary Taylor 1847–1851, Lincoln elected 1860. Wendell Willkie’s birthplace, Elwood, Indiana, and his acceptance of the Republican presidential nomination on 17 August 1940, born 18 February 1892. Then two World War II entries: Vancouver bombed June 20 1942, and the Oregon Coast bombed June 21 1942, referring to the Japanese submarine shelling of Fort Stevens, Oregon on 21 June 1942, the only attack on a US military installation on the continental United States during the war.

Field Book No. 704, pages 69–70

Field Book No. 704, pages 69–70

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Left page — Joseph Dill Died June the 22 1943 6.71 — 4 St San Rafael Calif he was a nephew. Boot Black.
Right page — Feb 9 1941 Death Come to Reed Smute in Floridy Funeral Serv held in Salt Lake Feb the 14 1941 — Mr Blake Said that MC ather Knew what was Going on in Mas Co. but MC ather Says he was not informed of what was Going on. Mr Foster give this over the Radio and he Said this was a Contradiction Then why isent St John C. 5. V. 31 and John C. 8. V. 14 a Contradiction Christ Said John was Elias but John Says he was not Elias. John C. 1. V. 21 is this a Contradiction.?

Notes:
Joseph Dill was born 1 January 1899 in Spurger, Texas, to Nathaniel Ervin Dill and Leticia Barlow. He grew up in East Texas, lived in Louisiana in the 1920s, and settled in San Rafael, Marin County by 1935. He died 22 June 1943 at 671 4th Street, San Rafael, and was buried in Silsbee, Texas. He had registered for the military draft in San Rafael in February 1942. James notes he was a boot black and calls him a nephew — the nature of any connection is not established by available records.

The right page opens with the death of Reed Smoot on 9 February 1941 in Florida, the longtime Utah Senator and LDS apostle, with his funeral held in Salt Lake City on 14 February 1941. The remainder continues the biblical inquiry, using contradictory radio testimony about McArthur as a launching point for further scriptural contradictions about John and Elias.

Field Book No. 704, pages 71–72

Field Book No. 704, pages 71–72

Transcription:
Left page — man in San Rafael that was 25 miles to San Francisco but one other Pertbalman Said it only 18 miles. was this a Contradiction? — Aaron was 83 years of age when he Stept in to help moses lead the Hebrews out of Egypt. he hadent Sun made for 40 years. Moses was 80 years of age. They had quite a Plan. to live off of the People mose had bin with Jethro and Yahweh Witch after was named Jehovah. Jethro was a Priest for Yahweh for he was a Canmonite God and Changed it to Jhodah When he and Moses Adopted the Hebrews.
Right page — and he Said if they would be to him a People he would be To them a God — yet he was only a man. Ruler of all local Gods in Cannan. Read the Egyptian history. but he was not as honest as was To Jo. he was Japans God but Dec the 30 1945 he Told the People at Japan that it was not So. it was a fake if Jhodah had bin that honest There would not bin so many People fooled. No To Told the People he was God for Gone. So Did Jehovah and moses and Aaron. Pries Craft

Notes:
The left page opens with another contradiction, two men giving different distances from San Rafael to San Francisco, then moves into an analysis of Moses and Aaron: their ages (Aaron 83, Moses 80), their plan to lead and live off the people, and the identification of Yahweh as a Canaanite god that Jethro, a Midianite priest, introduced to Moses, later renamed Jehovah when he and Moses adopted the Hebrews.

The right page continues: Jehovah promised to be their God if they would be his people, but James argues he was simply a man, ruler of local gods in Canaan. He draws a parallel with the Japanese Emperor Hirohito, who told the Japanese people on 30 December 1945 that he was not divine. Both Jehovah and Hirohito claimed divine status. He closes with Pries Craft, a term used in both Protestant and LDS traditions for the corrupt use of religion for personal gain.

Field Book No. 704, pages 73–74

Field Book No. 704, pages 73–74

Transcription:
Left page — [Blank]
Right page — June the 20 1941 — The Submarene 0.9 went under 440 fee of water. and never came up. with 34 men it went down 5 miles from where the Squalais went down in 1939

Notes:
The USS O-9 (SS-70) sank during a test dive on 20 June 1941 off the Isle of Shoals, New Hampshire. James records 440 feet and 34 men, and notes it went down 5 miles from where the Squalus sank in 1939, the USS Squalus (SS-192) had sunk on 23 May 1939 during a test dive off Portsmouth, New Hampshire. James connecting the two disasters across two years.

Field Book No. 704, pages 75–76

Field Book No. 704, pages 75–76

Transcription:
Left page — Sept the 2 1940 — U.S.A. Traded 50 Ships to Britton for Brittons Islands for Air Bases. for U.S.A. This is agreifle with Wilkia — Key Pitman Died Nov the 10 1940 age 68 years — Lundon Prime Minister Neferlin Chamberlan Died Nov the 10 1940 Church Hill is Prime Minster now. now it is ately
Right page — Oct the [?] 1940 [faint/largely illegible entries]

Notes:
The Destroyers for Bases Agreement of September 1940, the USA trading 50 destroyers to Britain in exchange for 99-year leases on British bases. James notes this was agreeable to Willkie, who had supported the deal. Key Pittman, Nevada Senator, died 10 November 1940 at age 68. Neville Chamberlain also died on 9 November 1940. Churchill is noted as Prime Minister, James writing Church Hill, followed by now it is ately, likely referring to Clement Attlee who became Prime Minister in July 1945, added later.

Field Book No. 704, pages 77–78

Field Book No. 704, pages 77–78

Transcription:
Left page — Jan The 21 1939 Lakeport Calif — The Cavalear Plain Tha[t] Sank in the Atlantic 3 was lost. and 10 Saved. it Sank at 1.30 after noon Saturday Jan the 21 1939 — The Senet and Congress Past the new trade repele of arms imbar Go F.D.R. will Signe it tomoro the 4 Nov the 4 1939 — F.D. Rossevelt Elected for the 4 Term 1944 nov the Thanks for That. but he Died April the 12 1945 — General Patton Died Dec the 28 1945 in Jeremany.
Right page — There was 56 men Signed the Declations of Independace 35 of Thom was Lawers — 1829 Denis notorious Contious Andrew Jackson John Quincey Adams was Elected — Americans all Emigrants all Washington D.C.

Notes:
The Cavalier sinking in the Atlantic on 21 January 1939, 3 lost and 10 saved. The Senate and Congress passing the Neutrality Act revision on 4 November 1939. Later additions: Roosevelt elected to the 4th term in 1944, dying 12 April 1945. General Patton died 28 December 1945 in Germany. The right page notes 56 men signed the Declaration of Independence, 35 of them lawyers. The 1829 entry records the contested election between Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams as notorious and contentious. Americans are all emigrants, all Washington D.C.

Field Book No. 704, pages 79–80

Field Book No. 704, pages 79–80

Transcription:
Left page — [Blank]
Right page — A. Monyement on Saint Peters Cathendale. in Rome is an inCription it Reads as follows. Jesus Rules and Rains. So Doo the Catholick want to Doo — King Henry the 8 had 6 Wifes 3 of Thom. Given names was Catherine — J.R. Meredith. Gave Mrs Maple Root for Birth Day 1945 five Dolars Cash $5.00 one Dol for Xmas. 1945

Notes:
A monument at Saint Peter’s Cathedral in Rome carries the inscription: Jesus Rules and Rains. So Do the Catholics want to Do. King Henry VIII had 6 wives, three of whom were named Catherine, Catherine of Aragon, Catherine Howard, and Catherine Parr. James gave Mrs. Maple a root for her birthday in 1945, five dollars cash, and one dollar for Christmas 1945.

Field Book No. 704, pages 81–82

Field Book No. 704, pages 81–82

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — [Surveyor’s data only]

Notes:
Both pages are pure surveyor’s data, including a small sketch diagram showing traverse lines with elevations. James left these pages entirely untouched.

Field Book No. 704, pages 83–84

Field Book No. 704, pages 83–84

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — Feb The 1935 [largely illegible — faint pencil entries over surveyor’s data]

Notes:
The right page has a date header of February 1935 with faint pencil entries largely illegible in this photograph. A February 1935 date would make this among the earliest dated entries in the journal, predating the first clearly legible entry of December 1935.

Field Book No. 704, pages 85–86

Field Book No. 704, pages 85–86

Transcription:
Left page — Nov the 4 1937 — James. R. Meredith Turned in his old age Papers. They was Signed by George. Rusell. and by George. Held. Seald by Mr. Hazle. — I James. R. Meredith came to Lakeport Sept the 13 1936 from Merced County Calif — came to Calif Nov the 1930 — was borned and raised in Pulaski County. Va — was allways. Known as James. Ross. Meredith — my name at first was James Thomas. Ross — when I was adopted. To my Farther the cort made my name James. Ross. Meredith or James. R. Meredith
Right page — I Think I is on reckard James. R. Meredith. but was after Known in as after James Ross. Every Body Called me. Ross. — My Fathers Name was. James. Meredith Borne 1803 Died Feb the 17 1889. Pulaski County. Va — my Mothers name was Nancy adline. Ross Born March the 27 1818 in Pulaski County Va Died the year of 1924 in Radford. Montgu mary County. Va at John Paines — Mary An Tod was afe Lincoln

Notes:
These two pages are among the most genealogically significant in the entire journal. James writing his autobiography with his own hand. On 4 November 1937 he filed his old age papers, witnessed by George Russell and George Held, sealed by Mr. Hazle. He came to Lakeport on 13 September 1936 from Merced County; came to California in November 1930; born and raised in Pulaski County, Virginia. His name at birth was James Thomas Ross, and when adopted by his father, the court made his name James Ross Meredith or James R. Meredith. He was always known as James Ross Meredith, but everybody called him Ross.

His father’s name was James Meredith, born 1803, died 17 February 1889, Pulaski County, Virginia. His mother’s name was Nancy Adline Ross, born July 1843 in Newbern, Pulaski, Virginia, died in 1924 in Radford, Montgomery, Virginia at John Paine’s. The final entry, Mary Ann Todd was wife of Lincoln, is a stray trivia note on the same page.

Field Book No. 704, pages 87–88

Field Book No. 704, pages 87–88

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only]
Right page — Sept the 27 1940 — Japan and Jermony Italian Goverments Jinded hands aganced the world — Rushia Sold Alaska To U.S.A. 1867 — [several lines largely illegible] — this war is not over yet

Notes:
The right page opens with the Tripartite Pact of 27 September 1940, Japan, Germany, and Italy joining hands against the world. Russia selling Alaska to the USA in 1867. The lower portion has faint entries largely illegible, with one readable phrase: this war is not over yet.

Field Book No. 704, pages 89–90

Field Book No. 704, pages 89–90

Transcription:
Left page — April The 12 1945 — President Franklin D. Roosevelt Past out 3.35 P.M. at warm Springs Ga. his Vice Hary S Truman Takes over — This makes 7 Vice Presidents Taken over. after Death of The Prsident. first was John Tyler 1840 Death of William henry Harrison and Second Millard Fillmore Taken over in 1850 Death of Zachary Taylor. Third was Andrew Johnson 1865 Taken over by Death of Abraham Lincoln — Fourth Chester. H. Aarthur in 1881 on the Death of James. A. Garfield The fifth was Theodore Roosevelt in 1901 Death of William McKinley. Sixth was Calvin Coolidge 1923 on Death of Warren G Harding Seventh was Hary S Truman. on Death of F.D. Roosevelt 1945 — Death Came in the 3 month of his 4 term 12 years 3 months 8 Days. The Good
Right page — thing he has Don for the People will EVriel all the good things that all the Presidents has Don. a wonderful good man. a man of feeling. I place him at the head of all Presidents before him. I am 76 years of age and I hade Prest Taft for quit a while — Signed James. R. Meredith April the 13 1945 San Rafael. Calif — Hary S Truman Served as Vice under F.D. Roosevelt for 3 months 8 Days. Roosevelt Taken office March the 19 32 and Served 3 full terms and 3 months and 8 Days in the 4 term.

Notes:
On 12 April 1945 he records Roosevelt’s death at 3:35 P.M. at Warm Springs, Georgia, and Truman taking over. He lists all seven Vice Presidents who assumed the presidency on the death of the sitting president — Tyler, Fillmore, Johnson, Arthur, Theodore Roosevelt, Coolidge, and Truman — correctly in order.

The right page is a personal eulogy for Roosevelt, signed by James R. Meredith on 13 April 1945 in San Rafael, California. He was 76 years old. He places Roosevelt at the head of all presidents before him, calls him a wonderful good man, a man of feeling. He mentions having known President Taft for a while. The page closes with a careful accounting of Roosevelt’s time in office: three full terms and three months and eight days into the fourth.

Field Book No. 704, pages 91–92

Field Book No. 704, pages 91–92

Transcription:
Left page — Oct The 3 — is the Jerus Christmas. a knew year — The Mexican President now is a Catheleck the first in 90 years Sept 29 — 1940 — William McAdoo was Bearied Feb the 3 1941 — Hary S. Trumans Mother 93 years of age Nov the 25 1945
Right page — James R. Meredith and Etta. Meredith had Xmas Diner by Thom Selves in San Rafael Calif 1945 and what you Know. We had Turkey. the last Xmas Diner we Every had with Each other. She Died Feb the 21 1946 in Phoenix Ariz — She was Bearied in the City Cemitory Sacramento Calif. may the 30 J.R. Meredith had affe willer to Place a Wreath on hur Grave for him. — James R. Meredith we was married June the 6 1936 lived to gather 9 years. and 7. Monthes.

Notes:
3 October as Jerusalem Christmas and New Year, the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) falls in late September or early October. The Mexican President becoming Catholic for the first time in 90 years on 29 September 1940. William McAdoo, California senator and son-in-law of Woodrow Wilson, buried 3 February 1941. Harry Truman’s mother was 93 years old on 25 November 1945.

The right page is one of the most moving in the journal. James records that he and Etta had Christmas dinner by themselves in San Rafael in 1945 and had turkey, then notes it was the last Christmas dinner they would ever have together. Etta died 21 February 1946 in Phoenix, Arizona, and was buried in the City Cemetery in Sacramento. James gave money to have a wreath placed on her grave. He closes with their marriage date, 6 June 1936, and notes they lived together 9 years and 7 months.

Field Book No. 704, pages 93–94

Field Book No. 704, pages 93–94

Transcription:
Left page — King Henry the was Quene Elisifath farther. and Anie Balden was hur Mother — Astralia impire felonys to England — Senetar. Harrison Died June the 22 1941 — States Mane and Vermont was Carried by Landon.
Right page — he was a batchlor James. Bucanon. President 1856 he was a Democrat Thy was a Whig and Tory. those Days. — I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the united States of america. and the Republic for whitch it Stands. one nation indivisible with liberty and Justis for all.

Notes:
Queen Elizabeth’s father was King Henry VIII, and Anne Boleyn was her mother, correct for Elizabeth I. Australia’s imperial ties to England. Senator Harrison died 22 June 1941. Maine and Vermont were the only two states carried by Landon in the 1936 election. James Buchanan was a bachelor president, correct, the only US president never to marry. The parties of that era were Whig and Democrat. The page closes with James writing out the Pledge of Allegiance from memory, notably without under God, which was not added until 1954, more than a decade after James would have written this.

Field Book No. 704, pages 95–96

Field Book No. 704, pages 95–96

Transcription:
Left page — Jack Dempsey Fight with Carpentier Drew $1.600.000 — Bradalk and Far Jan the 21 1938 10 Rounds. Bradalk won — Madona is a Picture of the Virgin Mary. [faint illegible entries below]
Right page — Jan the 19 1938 Mr. Vanchuson Butter 1 ff paid $35 — [daily milk account entries at 10 cents] — Total 100 — Apr the 1938 [continuing daily entries through 28th] — Total 70

Notes:
The Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier fight of 2 July 1921, the first million-dollar gate in boxing history, drawing $1,600,000. A fight involving Bradalk on 21 January 1938, 10 rounds, Bradalk winning. The Madonna entry: a Madonna is a picture of the Virgin Mary. The right page is a milk account with Mr. Vanchuson beginning 19 January 1938, recording daily milk and butter sales at 10 cents per day. This account runs parallel to the Mrs. Russell account on pages 13–14, confirming James was running a small dairy with multiple customers in early 1938.

Field Book No. 704, pages 97–98

Field Book No. 704, pages 97–98

Transcription:
Left page — March the 1 — 1938 Mr. Vandudon — [daily 10-cent milk entries days 1–31] — Total 100 — April The 1938 — [daily 10-cent entries days 1–28]
Right page — Feb the 8 1938 milk 1 qt — [daily entries] — 17 1938 Vandudon — may the 1938 — [continuing daily milk entries through May] — Total $1.10

Notes:
Both pages continue the milk account with Mr. Vandudon, James’s phonetic spelling varying between Vanchuson and Vandudon, recording daily 10-cent milk sales through March, April, and into May 1938. The March account totals $1.00 for 31 days. This is an extensive daily financial record in the journal, confirming James was operating a consistent small dairy in Lakeport through the first half of 1938.

Field Book No. 704, pages 99–100

Field Book No. 704, pages 99–100

Transcription:
Left page — Feb The 1938 Milk to Mr. Harper — [daily 10-cent entries days 19–28] — Total $1.00 Pd — March 1938 — [daily entries continuing through the month]
Right page — George Washington was related To Franklin D. Rooservelt. — John Adams the President was related to F.D. Roosevelt — James. Madison 4 President was his relations. — John Quiney Adams the 6 President was his relations. — Martin Van Bruen the 8 President was his relation — William Henry Harrison 9 President was related to F.D.R. — Zachary Taylor 12 Pres. was related to him. — U.S. Grant 18 Pres. was his relation. — Benjamin Harrison 23 Pres. was his relations over

Notes:
The left page continues the milk account with Mr. Harper, the same Mr. Harper from whom James bought his Jersey cow in January 1938, now also a milk customer. The right page lists presidents James believed were related to Franklin D. Roosevelt: Washington, John Adams, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Ulysses Grant, and Benjamin Harrison. Roosevelt did have documented connections to several of these families. The page continues onto the next.

Field Book No. 704, pages 101–102

Field Book No. 704, pages 101–102

Transcription:
Left page — Theodore Roosevelt the 26 Pres. was his relation — William Howard Taft the 27. Pres was related Franklin. D. Roosevelt the only one to be Elected the 4 turn his wife the only one to be the 4 lady of the Land — McKinley was the 25. Pres Vice was Garrett A Hafort. of New Jersey making Second term in 1900 with Theodore Roosevelt Vice
Right page — in 1946 Samial. Brannon Hotel San Francisco Brannon St was named after Sam Brannan. — Died. 55 in April 1945 — Hitler was 52. April the 20. 1941 — June the 21 1941. Hitler has Declaired war on Rushia — The world Series 1942 was won by St Luis. Mo — President Grant of the Latter Day Saints Died May the 14 1945 in Salt Lake City Utah he was age 88

Notes:
The left page continues the Roosevelt family connections from page 100, adding Theodore Roosevelt (26th) and William Howard Taft (27th) to the list of presidents related to FDR. James notes Franklin D. Roosevelt as the only president elected to a fourth term, and his wife as the only woman to be First Lady four times. McKinley was the 25th president; his vice president was Garret Augustus Hobart of New Jersey for his first term, and Theodore Roosevelt for his second term in 1900, Roosevelt succeeding upon McKinley’s assassination in 1901.

The right page opens with a 1946 entry about the Samuel Brannon Hotel in San Francisco and Brannan Street being named after Sam Brannan, the prominent early California settler and first millionaire of the Gold Rush. Then Hitler turning 52 on 20 April 1941 and declaring war on Russia on 21 June 1941. The 1942 World Series was won by St. Louis. President Grant of the Latter Day Saints, Heber J. Grant, seventh President of the LDS Church, died 14 May 1945 in Salt Lake City at age 88.

Field Book No. 704, pages 103–104

Field Book No. 704, pages 103–104

Transcription:
Left page — Mussoleni was Killed April 1945 — A. God — Christ Says he made Every Thing. Read John C. 1 and he Says he Gave the laws. Then he was Jehovah. if he made Every Thing. then he made Space. Then where was he before he made Space. There was no where for him to be. and at that time he was a Ghost. and I guess they Can be nowhere. So he made Every Thing out of nothing. all but man. and he made him out of Dust. and he found a God with all Power. but Still was Killed by man witch he made.<br>Right page — why Did he make man So bad and as he Says. So Sinfull. if you Think he is a Just God Read the laws he Gave in Exodus and Levit. and numbers C. 31 — well if he made Every Thing. he made Satan. What for. if he is all Powfull why Didont he Contrate Satan. or why Didnt he make all men Good and Keep Thom that way. Well Judges. C. 1 V. 19 Says he is not allpowerfull. he Cound not Drive out the People in the Valley. for they had Charets made of iron. it must Release the Bible. what about this. C. 1 V. 19. must we beleve it. That would Do away with

Notes:
The left page opens with a brief news note, Mussolini was killed in April 1945, then returns immediately to theological inquiry. James works through a cosmological argument: if God made everything (John 1), then he made space; but where was he before space existed? He was a Ghost, and a ghost can be nowhere. So God made everything out of nothing, except man, whom he made from dust. And yet this all-powerful God was killed by the very man he made.

The right page continues the argument: if God made everything, he made Satan, so why did he not control Satan, or simply make all men good? Then James cites Judges 1:19, the passage recording that God could not drive out the people of the valley because they had chariots of iron, as evidence that God is not all-powerful. The page ends mid-sentence: “That would Do away with” continuing on the next page.

Field Book No. 704, pages 105–106

Field Book No. 704, pages 105–106

Transcription:
Left page — all Powerfull God. a God that is invisible. That Kind of a God never was heard or seen. Read Exodus C. 33 V. 20 and John. C. 5 V. 37 and first Jimathey C. 6. V. 16 and John C. 1 V. 18 but Se what Jehovah Says. Read Exodus C. 33 V. 23 — and Gen C. 32 V. 30 — and Exodus C 24 V. 9 Do you Se Eny Contradiction hear. — Peter Says men of old Spake as they were Directed by the Haly Ghost. So we can not put our interpation on it To make it mean Eny Thing only what it Says. Read Second Peter C. 1 V. 20 — Second Sam C. 6 V. 23 Says Michal the Daughter of Saul. and the Wife of David had no<br>Right page — Child unto the Day of hur Death. but C 2 1 V. 8 hur had 5 Sons. — Christ Says John was Elias Se matthew C. 11. V. 14 but John Says he was not Elias Se John C. 1 V. 21 — matthew Says Jacob was Josephs father C. 1 V. 6 but Luke Says not So. his father was Heli. C. 3 V. 23 — John Says the Jews Killed Christ C. 11. but matthew Says it was the Gentiles C 2 0 V. 19. John Says he Died about the 6 Hour. C. 19 but mark Says it was the 3 Hour mark C. 15 V. 25 — and V. 23 Says the Gave him wine mingled with myrrh. to Drink but matthew Say the Gave him Vinager mingled with Gall to Drink C. 27 V. 34 — mathew C. 5 V. 16 let men see your Good workes. but C. 6 V. 1. 2. 3. 4. Did Judas keep the buch and Did the Priests buy the Peters field with the money. Se matthew C. 27 V. 5 to 8. Se matthew C. 1 V. 18 Judas now Se acts C. 1 V. 18 Judas bought the field. and Died

Notes:
The left page continues from page 104, the argument that an all-powerful invisible God was never heard or seen, citing multiple scriptures supporting this, then contrasting them with passages where God is seen directly (Exodus 33:23, Genesis 32:30, Exodus 24:9). James asks: do you see any contradiction? He then returns to Second Peter 1:20, that men spoke as directed by the Holy Ghost so we cannot put our own interpretation on scripture, then closes with a contradiction: Second Samuel 6:23 says Michal daughter of Saul had no child unto her death, but the page ends mid-sentence.

The right page opens with the contradiction completed: 2 Samuel 21:8 says she had five sons. James then continues his list of Gospel contradictions, whether John was Elias, who was Joseph’s father (Jacob or Heli), who killed Christ (Jews or Gentiles), what hour Christ died (6th or 3rd), what he was given to drink (wine with myrrh or vinegar with gall), whether Judas kept the money or the priests used it to buy a field, and whether Judas bought the field himself. These are among the most frequently cited textual contradictions in Gospel scholarship. The page ends mid-sentence.

Field Book No. 704, pages 107–108

Field Book No. 704, pages 107–108

Transcription:
Left page — by falling in a Pit. then he Did not hang himself. Whear was Christ taken up. acts C. 1 V. 12. it was at olivet but Luke C. 24 V. 50. 51 Says it was at Bethany. and mark Says it was Whil the Eleven was at meat. Se mark C. 16 V. 14 to 19 — matthew C. 9 V. 13 we will not Know the Day the Lord Came. but first Thesilions C. 5 V. 1. 2. 3. 4 Says we will not be in the Dark as to this Day. Peter Says God is no Respecter of Persons. acts C. 10 V. 34 but Read Romans C. 9 V. 10 to 13 and V. 18 — well They Could not beleve. Elias Says God hardened there Hearts. Blinded there Eyes. Could not understand with there hearts. and be Converted. John C. 12 V. 39. 40 — if God Knows all Things. why Didnt<br>Right page — Ancara the Capt of Turkey — Hitler marched in Athens April the 27 1941 — he Know they would have there Children Pass Through the fire Read Jeremiah C. 32 V. 35. the bottom of the Sea is out of Sight of God. Read Amos C. 9 V. 3 the Lord Sturs up Trouble — Se Second Chron C. 36 V. 22 Se Isaiah C. 13 V. 16. 17. 18 Read C. 28 V. 7. 8. Then Se Jirmiah C. 13 — V. 13. 14 — God makes Them Drunk. — God Says — V. 14 C. 14 They Prophets Tell lies. well why Did he Put a lying Spirit in there mouth Se first Kings C. 22 V. 22. 23. Second Sam C. 24 V. 1 Say the lord Provoked David to Say the number Israel. but first number Israel. but first number C. 21 V. 1 Says it was Satan — Second C. 21 V. 1 Says it was both the Same more.

Notes:
The left page continues the biblical contradiction catalogue from page 106, completing the Judas entry, Judas died by falling in a pit, not hanging himself. Then the question of where Christ ascended: Acts says Olivet, Luke says Bethany, Mark says while the Eleven were at meat. Matthew 9:13 says we will not know the day the Lord came, but First Thessalonians says we will not be in the dark about it. God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) but Romans 9 contradicts this. God hardened hearts so people could not believe — then why are they blamed for not believing? The page ends mid-sentence.

The right page opens with Ankara as the capital of Turkey and Hitler marching into Athens on 27 April 1941. James then returns to theology: God knowing children would be passed through fire yet allowing it; the bottom of the sea being out of God’s sight (Amos 9:3); God stirring up trouble; God making prophets drunk and causing them to tell lies, then why did he put a lying spirit in their mouths? The page closes with a contradiction between Second Samuel 24:1 (God provoked David to number Israel) and First Chronicles 21:1 (it was Satan), a classic biblical contradiction James noted earlier in the journal.

Field Book No. 704, pages 109–110

Field Book No. 704, pages 109–110

Transcription:
Left page — matthew C. Say Christ Road through Jerusalem. on an ass and a colt how could he ride 2 at once. C. 21 V. 7. But mark C. 11 V. 4 to 8 Says it was Just a Colt. now What I want to know is Did he Go Through on his ass. or did he Go Through on a Colt without his ass. — Second Kings C. 2 V. 1 and V. 11 Says Elijah went up to heaven. but John C. 3 V. 13 Says no man Ever went up but Christ — first Chron C. 21 V. 25 Say David Paid 600 Shekels of Gold not Silver for the Thrashing floor. but Second Sam C. 24 V. 24 Says he only Paid 50 Shekels of Silver not Gold and Got the Open Thresher in. Did a God Dictate the Bible — Second Kings C. 8 V. Ahaziah. was 22. years of age when he began To Reign King. but Second Chron C. 22 V. 2 Says he was 42<br>Right page — Read Second Kings C. 18 V. 27 Read Ezek C. 4 what God Gave Them to ate. — Se Second Chron C. 21 V. 17 Jehoahaz was the youngest Son. but C. 22 V. 1 it was Ahaziah was the youngest Son. — Did Jehovah Ever tell a lie Read Exodus. C. 6 V. 8 hear. he Read Exodus. C. 6 V. 8 hear. he Swore a lie. he Swore he would Give this land to Abraham and Jacob. but they never Set foot on it Read acts. C. 7 V. 4. 5 — John C. 19 Say Christ Died on a Cross. but Peter Says they hanged him on a Tree Se acts C. 5 V. 30 Se acts C. 10 V. 39 Read C. 13 V. 30 Read Galatians C. 3 V. 13 — Did moses and Aaron and 70 Elders See God Exodus C. 24 V. 9 10 John C. 1 V. 18 Says no man Ever Seen God. if he is invisible no one Can Se him. God or Jehovah hardened Thoms heart To Cause all the Trouble. if God Knows all why Put The Blood on the Doors of all Israel He Says So he Could Pass

Notes:
Both pages continue James’s sustained biblical inquiry. The left page focuses on contradictions about physical facts: how Christ rode both an ass and a colt simultaneously; Elijah ascending to heaven when John says no man ever went up; David paying 600 shekels of gold or 50 shekels of silver for the threshing floor; Ahaziah being 22 or 42 when he began to reign. Each contradiction is cited. James’s central question, did a God dictate the Bible, is stated plainly.

The right page continues with Jehoahaz versus Ahaziah as the youngest son; God swearing to give Abraham and Jacob the land of Canaan but they never set foot on it; Christ dying on a cross (John) versus being hanged on a tree (Peter/Acts/Galatians); Moses and Aaron and 70 elders seeing God (Exodus 24) versus no man ever seeing God (John 1:18). The page closes mid-sentence on one of the most famous questions in Exodus, if God knows all things, why did he need blood on the doors of Israel to know which houses to pass over?

Field Book No. 704, pages 111–112

Field Book No. 704, pages 111–112

Transcription:
Left page — Thom up when he Killed all the first Born in Egypt. and if he Knows all how Could Adam and Eve hide from him. and why Did the Sun Stand Still when it is not the Sun that Runs. it is the Earth. Why beleve There is a God when no one has Ever Seen him what Proof have we That There is a God?. You Say the Bible Well if There is no other Proof Then the Bible we have none. you Can Proove Eny all Things by the bible Even That white is BLACK. — I wont Take it for Proof of a God. or a Son of God.<br>Right page — act C. 22 V. 9 Says The Peope heard not The Voice. but C. 9 V. 7 Says they Did hear The Voice. and That They Stood Speechless but C. 20 V. 14 Says they Did not Stand Speechless they were all fallen to the Earth when they heard the Voice. — is This what Paul lied about Se Romans. C. 3 V. 7. The fitle Says There is to be a Resirection but Job Says when we Go to the Grave we Come up no more Read Job C. 10 V. 21 and C. 7 V. 9. 10 God Destroys the Perfect and the wicked. C. 9 V. 22 The only Diference of the Living and the Dead. The Living know they have To Die. but The Dead Dont Know Eny Thing neither Do They have Eny Reward Ecclesiastes C. 9 V. 5 — Read John C. 5 V. 31 and C. 8 V. 14 Se if Christ Contradicts him Self. his Recard is True and it is not True. he Says.

Notes:
The left page brings James’s extended biblical inquiry to its conclusion. The final question, if God knows all things, why did he need blood on the doors, is completed with: so he could pass over when he killed all the firstborn in Egypt. Then: if God knows all, how could Adam and Eve hide from him? And why did the sun stand still when it is the earth that moves, not the sun? The argument reaches its summit: what proof do we have that there is a God? If the only proof is the Bible, that proves nothing, you can prove anything by the Bible, even that white is black. James’s conclusion is stated plainly and without apology: “I wont Take it for Proof of a God. or a Son of God.”

The right page continues with Paul’s companions on the road to Damascus hearing or not hearing the voice (Acts 9:7 vs. 22:9), and standing speechless or falling to the earth (another contradiction). Paul lying about it (Romans 3:7). Whether there is a resurrection (the title says yes) but Job says when we go to the grave we come up no more (Job 10:21, 7:9-10). God destroying both the perfect and the wicked alike. The only difference between the living and the dead: the living know they will die, but the dead know nothing and have no reward (Ecclesiastes 9:5). The page closes with Christ contradicting himself, John 5:31 says his record is not true, John 8:14 says it is.

Field Book No. 704, pages 113–114

Field Book No. 704, pages 113–114

Transcription:
Left page — July the 4 1941 — Senitor Repur and Senitor Wheear Spoke on the war. — President Franklin Roosevelt Speake at 1. oclock the 4 of July 1941<br>Right page — Bulgeary March the 4 of July 15 — X Fals Prophet — Burnard Shaw Saying Hitler would not atact Rushia he was a fals Prophet — Sen this in a morning Picture Show in San Francisco 1941 — Comele Said There was Prophet besides Joseph Smith — 7


Notes:
The left page records the 4th of July 1941: two senators, Pepper and Wheeler, spoke on the war, and President Franklin Roosevelt spoke at 1 o’clock. Senator Claude Pepper of Florida was a strong interventionist; Senator Burton Wheeler of Montana was a prominent isolationist, two opposing voices on the war James was following.

The right page opens with Bulgaria and a date reference. Then a marked entry, James puts an X beside “Fals Prophet” recording that George Bernard Shaw had predicted Hitler would not attack Russia. Since Hitler invaded Russia on 22 June 1941, Shaw was proved wrong. James saw this in a morning picture show (newsreel) in San Francisco in 1941 and marked Shaw as a false prophet accordingly. The final entry records someone named Comele saying there was a prophet besides Joseph Smith, a reference to LDS prophetic succession or a discussion James had or heard. The number 7 at the bottom may be a page count or unrelated notation.

Field Book No. 704, pages 115–116

Field Book No. 704, pages 115–116

Transcription:
Left page — Aug the 1 1940 at 11 5/12 min 7 min late — The first Carmushel air Liner to land in Red Bluff Passengers 21. a Crue of 5 — Capt. Cart. Stevens the main Pilot. — The Plain has a wing Speed of 95 feet flys at Speed of 190 miles Per Hour — Rhundalf. Hess. landed his Plain May the 10 1941 and Died Dec the 10 20 1945 he was hanged.<br>Right page — Congress meets in the 77 Congress Jan the 3 on Friday 1941 — The China wall is 1400 miles long. — Vicinitiers in Mexico is Cue Boys. — Mothers Day 1942 will be the 11 — in 17.76 The Population was 4.000.000 in 1941 is 1.30[0.000?]


Notes:
The left page opens with a precise local entry: on 1 August 1940, the first commercial airliner landed in Red Bluff, California, 7 minutes late, at 11:05 A.M., with 21 passengers and a crew of 5, piloted by Captain Cart. Stevens. The plane had a 95-foot wingspan and flew at 190 miles per hour. James recorded this local aviation milestone with characteristic precision.

Then Rudolf Hess, James writes “Rhundalf Hess” who landed his plane in Scotland on 10 May 1941 in a solo unauthorized flight, apparently attempting to negotiate peace. James notes he died 10 December 1945 and was hanged, though Hess was actually sentenced to life imprisonment at Nuremberg and died in 1987. James may have confused him with other Nazi leaders executed at Nuremberg.

The right page records the 77th Congress convening on Friday 3 January 1941. The Great Wall of China is 1,400 miles long. Vaqueros in Mexico are cowboys. Mother’s Day 1942 will be the 11th. The US population was 4,000,000 in 1776 and 130,000,000 in 1941, James tracking the population growth of the nation across 165 years.

Field Book No. 704, pages 117–118

Field Book No. 704, pages 117–118

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only], Right page — [Surveyor’s data only]

Notes:
Both pages are dense surveyor’s data, station numbers, bearings, latitudes, departures, sines, cosines, and distances. James left these pages entirely untouched.

Field Book No. 704, pages 119–120

Field Book No. 704, pages 119–120

Transcription:
Left page — [Surveyor’s data only — faint/largely illegible]<br>Right page — May the 11 1940 1938 — The New Yorks Worlds Fair opened may the 11 1940 — Doctor. Cook who Claimed he found the North Pole in 1908 Died aug the 6 1940 — George Washington maried. mistres Mary H. Cruster She was a widdow

Notes:
The left page has faint surveyor’s data largely illegible in this photograph. The right page has three distinct entries. The New York World’s Fair opened 11 May 1940, this was actually the second season of the 1939–1940 World’s Fair, which reopened on 11 May 1940 after its inaugural 1939 season; the date at the top also shows 1938 which may be a separate earlier notation. Dr. Frederick Cook, who claimed to have reached the North Pole in 1908, a claim disputed by Robert Peary and largely discredited, died 6 August 1940. George Washington married widow Martha Dandridge Custis, James writes her name as Mary H. Cruster, a phonetic approximation of Martha Custis.

Field Book No. 704, pages 121–122

Field Book No. 704, pages 121–122

Transcription:
Left page — Feb the 5 1938 — Mr. James R. Meredith Paid to Mrs. James R. Meredith the Sum of five Dol $5.00 — April the 3 five Dal $5.00 — June the 4 Seven Dal $7.00 — aug. the 4 Seven Dal $7.00 — Nov the 5 five Dal $5.00 — Jan the 4 1939. five Dal $5.00 — March the 5 five Dal $5.00 — May the 5 five Dal $5.00 — July the 6 Seven Dal $7.00 — Sept the 6 Eight Dal $8.00 — Dec the 4 five Dal $5.00 — This Paid on one Wedding Ring. — Etta Meredith<br>Right page — [1941 — Etta Meredith — faint account entries largely illegible — butter and cream entries] 12. / 12. / 60 / [further entries illegible]

Notes:
The left page has personal financial records. Beginning 5 February 1938, James records installment payments to Mrs. Etta Meredith, his own wife, ranging from $5 to $8, made every two months through December 1939. The total comes to $64. The final line reveals the purpose: “This Paid on one Wedding Ring.” Signed Etta Meredith. James was paying for Etta’s wedding ring on an installment plan, recording each payment carefully in the surveyor’s field book, with Etta’s own signature as acknowledgment. They had married in June 1936; he was still paying for her ring two years later.

The right page has a 1941 account header for Etta Meredith with faint entries for butter and cream, suggesting Etta was keeping her own small dairy account in the same journal, but the entries are largely illegible in this photograph.

Field Book No. 704, pages 123–124

Field Book No. 704, pages 123–124

Transcription:
Left page — [Blank]<br>Right page — D. M. Bennett — 141 Eighth Street — New York

Notes:
The left page is blank. The right page has a single address entry: D. M. Bennett, 141 Eighth Street, New York. DeRobigne Mortimer Bennett (1818–1882) was a prominent American freethinker, publisher of the freethought journal “The Truth Seeker,” and founder of the National Liberal League. He was imprisoned under the Comstock Laws for distributing freethought literature. Given James’s sustained theological inquiry throughout the journal, his methodical questioning of biblical authority, divine omnipotence, and institutional religion, it is entirely possible he was familiar with Bennett’s freethought tradition. However, Bennett died decades before James would have been writing in this journal, so this may be a publisher’s address James copied from a publication rather than a personal contact.

Field Book No. 704, pages 125–126

Field Book No. 704, pages 125–126

Transcription:
Left page — March the 6 1941 X — J. R. Meredith Paid Jan the 8 5.00 Feb the Paid 10.00 — March the 7 Paid 5 to Stores — Roffuck and Cash 2.29 cts — Tattle $. 1729 — March the 20 1941 Paid $5.00 with Cooper to Corneal. Lowell paid $B3429 — April the 6 Cash 500 — Ticket to San Rafael 39.29 — 1.80 — 41.09 — 37.58 — 4.59<br>Right page — Oct the 1940 — Mrs Etta Meredith is Mr J. R. Meredith — Dent for Sept Tanks $10.00 — Nov the Cash — Paid on Roofing $12.00 — To wattenberger. — March the 3 Lowell — Etta Meredith $20.00 — $32.00 — The Whilgs was Repuflints — the Torys was Democrats

Notes:
The left page is a personal financial account from early 1941. James records payments through January, February, and March, to stores, to someone named Roffuck, and on 20 March 1941 paying $5 with Cooper to Corneal (Charles Raymond Lowell, paying $34.29 total). A ticket to San Rafael cost $39.29, with running totals showing James carefully tracking his finances. The page is marked with an X at the top, suggesting it was later reviewed or settled.

The right page opens with an October 1940 account in Etta’s name. Payments recorded include $10 for September tanks (likely fuel or water), $12 paid on roofing to someone named Wattenberger, and $20 to Lowell, total $32. The final two lines return to political history: the Whigs were Republicans, the Tories were Democrats, James noting the evolution of American party names from the colonial and early republic era.

Field Book No. 704, pages 127–128

Field Book No. 704, pages 127–128

Transcription:
Left page — The Republican Party was Whig Party up to 1852 Then was James Bucanon the first Republican President — The Democrats was Known as Tory Party. — The Liberty Bell was made in London in the year of 1752 — William Boothe was the founder of the Salvation army in East End Lundon<br>Right page — James R. Meredith’s Father was Born in the year of 1803 in Shanicory Valy V.a his name was James. Meredith — 1941 finds me well and I am very Thankfull. I am in Lakeport Calif.

Notes:
The left page continues the party history notes from page 126, the Republican Party was the Whig Party until 1852, with James Buchanan as the first Republican president (actually Buchanan was a Democrat; Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, but James may be conflating the transition period). The Democrats were known as the Tory Party. The Liberty Bell was made in London in 1752, correct, it was cast at the Whitechapel Bell Foundry in London. William Booth founded the Salvation Army in the East End of London, correct, in 1865.

The right page is one of the a revealing entry in the journal. James records his father’s birth in 1803 in Shanicory Valley, Virginia, his name was James Meredith, consistent with the autobiography recorded on pages 85–86. Then a quiet personal statement: “1941 finds me well and I am very Thankfull. I am in Lakeport Calif.” James writing in his seventies, in the middle of a world war, grateful to be alive and well.

Field Book No. 704, pages 129–130

Field Book No. 704, pages 129–130

Transcription:
Left page — March the 1940 — Mrs Lowell is Due — J.R. Meredith Cash $15.00 — Eggs 21. Doz 16.75 — Chicken 6.00 — 75[cents] — Convention at Pa — Windel Louis Wilke was anominated for the Republican President in Chigo Ill The Democrat Convention anominated Pres Roosevelt for Pres. See walis for Vice July the 18 1940<br>Right page — Sacramento Calif one Hundred years old aug the 7 1939 — 17 of Sept 1787 Constitution — China’s 4 of July is Oct the 10 1940 — Old Xmas is Jan the 6 Comes on Sunday Jan the 5 1941

Notes:
The left page opens with a March 1940 financial account: Mrs. Lowell is due, James received $15 cash, sold 21 dozen eggs for $16.75 and chicken for 75 cents. Then the 1940 Republican convention in Philadelphia nominated Wendell Lewis Willkie, while the Democratic convention in Chicago nominated Roosevelt for president with Wallace (James writes “walis”) for vice president on 18 July 1940.

The right page records Sacramento, California celebrating its centennial on 7 August 1939, the city was founded in 1839. The Constitution was signed 17 September 1787, correct. China’s national day is 10 October, the anniversary of the 1911 Wuchang Uprising that launched the Republic of China; James dates this to 1940. Old Christmas falls on 6 January, the traditional Epiphany date, and James notes it falls on Sunday in 1941.

Field Book No. 704, pages 131–132

Field Book No. 704, pages 131–132

Transcription:
Left page — May the 23 1939 USA — Submarene went down and the Cause was a Stuck Valve. 59 men in it. The Squalais may the 24 first men Brought up 7 men — Second 9 — 3 — 9 — 48 Total Saved 33. Lost 26 — Britten sub went down lost 63 men — French Sub Frenett went down losing all men — This in Portsmouth New Hampshire in the Atlantic Ocean. the first Rescue from a Submareen. [bottom] 32 — 27 missing<br>Right page — Jan the 15 1938 Lakeport Calif — James R. Meredith has 4 Children — 27 Gran Children — 29 Grate Gran Children — Se on the other Side. — Langley the first to try a air Plain — the Write Boys first to fly in a motor Plane.

Notes:
The left page records the sinking of the USS Squalus on 23 May 1939, the same disaster James referenced on pages 73–74 when recording the loss of the O-9. Here he gives the fuller account: the cause was a stuck valve, 59 men aboard, the first men brought up on the 24th, total saved 33, lost 26 — accurate figures. He also notes a British submarine losing 63 men and a French submarine (the Phenix) going down with all hands, all in Portsmouth, New Hampshire waters, though the British and French losses were separate incidents. James calls this the first rescue from a submarine, the Squalus rescue was indeed a landmark in submarine rescue history.

The right page is another significant personal entry dated 15 January 1938 in Lakeport: James R. Meredith has 4 children, 27 grandchildren, and 29 great-grandchildren. Then two aviation pioneers: Samuel Langley, who was first to attempt powered flight, and the Wright Brothers, who were first to successfully fly a motor plane, James correctly distinguishing between the attempt and the achievement.

Field Book No. 704, pages 133–134

Field Book No. 704, pages 133–134

Transcription:
Left page — Jan the 16 1938 Lakeport Calif — R.L.R.’s Gran Children — Bulah has Boys Mary has 4 — anny has 6 — Edith has 2 — Orson has 2 — R.L.R has Children 5 — Total 14 — Jack. R. Children — Hobert. Milo is one Paul is Hairs and Baby Jack — 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 — Total 5 — Tom. R. Children — Virginia 1 Wborn 1 Jala 1 Sydney 1 Carma 1 Howard 1 — Total 6 — Fanny. R. has Florence Tillim. Cathuren. Jimmie Virginia. Billie. Arvil albert arthur Fillis — Total 10 — R.L.R. has Children no. 5<br>Right page — The Pilgrims Came over may 16.20 — Life PAYMENTS ACT — was Presented to God above 1000000 Peticions asking for a Special Election May the 18 1939 in Sacramento Calif — independence Signed July the 4 in 17.76 — Wiley Post was Killed with Will Rogers

Notes:
The left page is a detailed family census in the journal, dated 16 January 1938. James is counting his grandchildren through his children Robert Leonard Ross (R.L.R.), Jack Ross, Tom Ross, and Fanny Ross. Bulah has boys, Mary has 4, Anny has 6, Edith has 2, Orson has 2, totaling 14 grandchildren through Robert’s line. Jack’s children include Hobert, Milo, Paul, and Baby Jack, 5 total. Tom’s children: Virginia, one born, Jala, Sydney, Carma, Howard, 6 total. Fanny’s children: Florence, Tillim, Catherine, Jimmie, Virginia, Billie, Arvil, Albert, Arthur, Fillis, 10 total. This cross-references the 27 grandchildren recorded on the previous page.

The right page notes the Pilgrims came over in May 1620. The Life Payments Act, the Townsend Plan, a Depression-era old age pension scheme, gathered over one million petition signatures calling for a special election on 18 May 1939 in Sacramento. Independence signed 4 July 1776. Wiley Post was killed with Will Rogers, in the plane crash at Point Barrow, Alaska on 15 August 1935, noted elsewhere in the journal.

Field Book No. 704, pages 135–136

Field Book No. 704, pages 135–136

Transcription:
Left page — Amelia ahart dropped out of Sight in 1937 — X X X — McDonald Purgied testimony Sent Mooney to Prison 4 years later on his Death Bed. Said he had Swore falce on Mooney — Chamberlin went to Rome Jan the 10 1939 was there 4 days — Hitler Taken Che[c]ko Slovsack March the 14 1939<br>Right page — King. the George and Elisebeth Come Home to U.S.A June the 8 1939 the first Ever To tour the U.S.A. — Churchhill is a Singles Jew. — Ma[?] M[?] on the Toom of the unknown Soldier at Arlington Va

Notes:
The left page opens with Amelia Earhart dropping out of sight in 1937, her disappearance over the Pacific on 2 July 1937 during her attempted circumnavigation. The three X marks suggest James found this entry significant. Then the McDonald/Mooney entry, connecting to the Tom Mooney case recorded on pages 55–56: McDonald purified his testimony, having sent Mooney to prison, and on his deathbed confessed he had sworn falsely against Mooney. Chamberlain went to Rome on 10 January 1939 and was there four days, one of his diplomatic missions. Hitler took Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939, the occupation of the Czech state.

The right page records King George VI and Queen Elizabeth visiting the United States in June 1939, the first reigning British monarchs ever to tour the USA. Churchill is called a Singles Jew, James apparently heard or read a claim about Churchill’s ancestry. The bottom entries mention a tomb or ceremony at Arlington, Virginia, apparently at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, but the entries are partially cut off.

Field Book No. 704, pages 137–138

Field Book No. 704, pages 137–138

Transcription:
Left page — Eggs Sold $3 — Doz 3 66cts 2.70 — Feb the 20 1940 — Plowing $20 — 1 day — 21 1 day — 22 — 23 — 24 — Roy Williams was Killed July the 15 1940 in a Car Mishap<br>Right page — the 7 King Edward Give up his King Ship To his Bro. King George the 6 — Will Lowell Due J.R. Meredith Cash — $15.00 — Eggs march the 16 1940 3.00 — Doz 21. 15 Ch. Ro. Doz 18.75 — one Chicken 75 — 21 / 15 / 105 / 215 / 3.15 / 75 — Due yet 3.90 — Joe Louis’s wife name is Marvy. Trater

Notes:
The left page records egg sales, 3 dozen at 66 cents, total $2.70, and plowing work on 20 and 21 February 1940 at $20 per day. Roy Williams was killed in a car accident on 15 July 1940, a local community member James was tracking.

The right page opens with King Edward VIII abdicating, giving up his kingship to his brother King George VI. Then a financial account: C.R. Lowell owed James $15 cash, plus egg and chicken sales on 16 March 1940, with a running total showing $3.90 still due. The final entry records Joe Louis’s wife’s name as Marvy Trater, Joe Louis married Marva Trotter in 1935; James renders her name phonetically as Marvy Trater.

Field Book No. 704, pages 139–140

Field Book No. 704, pages 139–140

Transcription:
Left page — Aug the 15 1939 9.30 PM — Train Reck in Nevada Killing 23 injured 108 — Hitler’s army Struck at Poland. Sept the 1 1939 — Sept the 2 in Poland — France Started in war 2 PM Sept the 3 1939 and England Too — The longest word in the Dictionary Smiles. the first is S. the last is S and a mile in the Middle<br>Right page — The Whigs was what is now Republicans — the Torys was what is now Democrats. — F. H. Shoemaker. Spoke for Ham and Eggs — Thomas B Shoemaker was the Gov. Lawyer against Bridges in San Francisco — The first Thanks Given Day was aug 16 1621 — F.D. Roosevelt Changed it from The last Thursday to nov. 23 30

Notes:
The left page opens with a Nevada train wreck on 15 August 1939 at 9:30 PM, killing 23 and injuring 108. Then James records the opening of World War II in real time: Hitler struck Poland 1 September 1939, France entered the war at 2 PM on 3 September 1939, and England too. Then a well-known wordplay joke, the longest word in the dictionary is smiles because there is a mile between the first and last letter.

The right page continues the party history notes. F.H. Shoemaker spoke for Ham and Eggs, the California Ham and Eggs pension initiative that appeared on the 1938 and 1939 ballots. Thomas B. Shoemaker was the government lawyer against Harry Bridges in San Francisco, the longshore union leader whose deportation trial was a major labor and political event of the era. The first Thanksgiving was 16 August 1621, James has the date slightly off. Roosevelt changed Thanksgiving from the last Thursday to the 23rd or 30th of November, James recording the Thanksgiving date controversy of 1939–1941 when Roosevelt moved the holiday to the third Thursday to extend the Christmas shopping season.

Field Book No. 704, pages 141–142

Field Book No. 704, pages 141–142

Transcription:
Left page — Districts — Congressional 1 st — Assembly 5 st — Senatorial the 14 — Mount Whitney is the Highest Point in USA — John Wickleft first Translated the Bible — Birth of the Constitution of the USA 1788 June the 21 — Huse Flew to Paris in 16 38 Min Hours 16 min 38 Landed July the 11 — 1938<br>Right page — Lin Burg was 33 Hours 30 min There was no air mail until 1918 — June the 29 1939 — Mr. Willis Owens was Killed by a Car as he Stept off a Street Car — Mrs. Hanna Willson is the wife of Jack. Dempsy — The natshinial flaur is the Golden Rod

Notes:
The left page opens with James’s voting districts, Congressional 1st, Assembly 5th, Senatorial 14th, placing him in Lake County’s electoral precincts. Mount Whitney is the highest point in the USA, correct. John Wycliffe first translated the Bible, correct, in the 14th century. The Constitution was born 21 June 1788, the date New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify, making it official. Then someone named Huse flew to Paris in 16 hours 38 minutes, landing 11 July 1938.

The right page notes Lindbergh’s transatlantic flight took 33 hours 30 minutes, and there was no airmail until 1918. On 29 June 1939, Mr. Willis Owens was killed by a car as he stepped off a streetcar, a local or regional news item James recorded. Mrs. Hanna Wilson is the wife of Jack Dempsey, Dempsey’s second wife was Estelle Taylor, and his third was Hannah Williams; James writes her as Hanna Willson. The national flower is the Golden Rod, goldenrod was a popular candidate for national flower in this era though never officially adopted.

Field Book No. 704, pages 143–144

Field Book No. 704, pages 143–144

Transcription:
Left page — Jan the 1938 Etta Bill of Grub — pan cake 60 Mush 29 Tumble 15 — 22 — 25 — [totals] 60 / 29 / 15 / 104 / 100 / 44 — 2.48 — Work for Mr. Russell — April the 25 1938 — 26 Hours 7 — 26 Hours 7 — 27 Hours 5 — 29 Hours 6 — May the 17 1938 — 2 Hours 4 $10. — Mr. Hazle — May the 16 1934 — 6 Hours 9 — 9 Hours 9 / 10 — 10 — 11 Hours 10 — $13.30 — Total 14.90<br>Right page — Jan the 1938 Grub Bill — Jan the 11 Bacon 39 ct Bred 10 Sugar 8 — 17 — Lard 67 — 19 Bread Bacon 33 — 10 / 16 — 25 Tilley Paper — 6 — 29 Bread Soda buter warts — 25 / 39 — 1.56 — multon — 105 — 11 — 100 — The State of Nebraska is State midway between Atlantic ocean and To Pacific — [account totals] 35 / 29 / 40 / 315 / 1065 / 15 — 1330 / 10 15 — 147

Notes:
The left page records Etta’s grocery bill from January 1938, pancakes, mush, and tumble (possibly a baked good) totaling $2.48. Then James’s work record for Mr. Russell in April–May 1938, logging hours each day at approximately $10 total. Then work for Mr. Hazle in May 1934, notably an earlier date, confirming James was using the book non-sequentially, logging hours from the 6th through the 11th, totaling $13.30 and then $14.90.

The right page is Etta’s detailed January 1938 grocery bill: bacon, bread, sugar, lard, bread, bacon again, toilet paper, bread, soda, butter, mutton, a window into their weekly household expenses in Lakeport. The total works out to approximately $1.56 plus additional items. Then a geographical fact: Nebraska is the state midway between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, followed by more account totals.

Field Book No. 704, pages 145–146

Field Book No. 704, pages 145–146

Transcription:
Left page — Jan the 22 1938 — Joe Hyman — 22 — he droped dead. That night — Flud no 3 Feb the 13 1938 — Presidents droped their first names — President Willson name was Herman. Willson — John. Calvin. Coolidge — Mr. and Mrs. James R. Meredith Spent Thanks Givin at Home alone. Lakeport Calif 1938 — Nov the 25 — Evelyn Collier 710 L St Sac<br>Right page — [Printed surveyor’s reference table — Tangents and Externals to a 1° Curve — pre-printed in the field book, not James’s writing]

Notes:
The left page opens with Joe Hyman dropping dead on 22 January 1938, a local Lakeport community member. Flood No. 3 on 13 February 1938, the third in the series of California floods James tracked that winter. Then a note on presidents dropping their first names, Woodrow Wilson’s full name was Thomas Woodrow Wilson, and James correctly notes John Calvin Coolidge used his middle name Calvin. A personal entry: James and Etta spent Thanksgiving 1938 at home alone in Lakeport on 25 November, a quiet counterpoint to the Christmas entries showing them with C.R. Lowell. Finally Evelyn Collier’s address, 710 L Street, Sacramento, confirming the address recorded in the photographs tucked into the front of the journal.

The right page is the pre-printed Tangents and Externals to a 1° Curve reference table, printed in the field book by the A. Lietz Company. This is manufacturer’s content, not James’s writing.


James Thomas Ross/Meredith acquired a surveyor’s field book sometime in the mid-1930s and used it for the rest of his life. He was not a surveyor. The traverse data, bearings, and station distances already filling many pages when he got it were none of his doing. He simply opened the book wherever he found space and wrote whatever was on his mind. The result is one of the most complete portraits of a working-class American mind in the Depression and World War II era that a family archive is likely to yield.

The journal spans roughly 1934 to 1946, with the heaviest concentration of entries from 1937 to 1942. James was living in Lakeport, California for most of this period, having come to California in November 1930 after decades in West Virginia, Idaho, and Oregon. He was in his late sixties and seventies. He received his first old age assistance payment, $35, on 14 January 1938, the same month he bought a Jersey cow for $50 and began selling milk and butter to neighbors. He operated a small dairy with multiple customers through much of 1938, recording every transaction: 10 cents a quart to Mrs. Russell, 10 cents a day to Mr. Vandudon, butter to Mrs. McCutchon at 18 cents a pound. He worked as a day laborer for C.R. Lowell in August and September 1944 at $3.33 per day, recording each day in the same careful columns. He was 74 years old.

The journal is also a family record. On page 7 James wrote down his own birth year, 1869 or 1868, Pulaski County, Virginia, hedging even on that. Pages 85 and 86 contain his autobiography in miniature: his name at birth was James Thomas Ross; when adopted by his father James Meredith, the court made his name James Ross Meredith; everyone called him Ross. His mother was Nancy Adline Ross, born July 1843 in Newbern, Pulaski, Virginia, died 1924 in Radford, Montgomery County. His father James Meredith was born 1803 and died 17 February 1889. He confirmed the dual-surname situation that had puzzled the family genealogy for generations, recording that he signed papers as Ross and as Meredith and both were accepted, because the attorney knew the two names belonged to the same man.

The family entries accumulate across dozens of pages. On 16 January 1938 James counted: four children, 27 grandchildren, 29 great-grandchildren. He listed the grandchildren by family line, Robert’s five children had 14 grandchildren between them, Fanny’s ten children appear by name. He recorded Robert Leonard Ross leaving after an 18-day Christmas visit in December 1937, Eugene Dale Ross Sr. visiting in February 1938. He noted Evelyn Collier’s Sacramento address, 710 L Street, the same Evelyn whose photographs he had tucked into the front of the book. He paid for Etta’s wedding ring on installment, $5 to $8 every two months from February 1938 through December 1939, a total of $64, with Etta signing in acknowledgment. They had been married since June 1936. He was still paying.

The war years run through nearly every page. James followed the news with the attention of a man who had lived through the Spanish-American War, the First World War, and the Depression and knew that history happened to ordinary people. He recorded the sinking of the Squalus in May 1939, the fall of Poland in September 1939, the fall of France and Paris in June 1940, Hitler’s invasion of Russia in June 1941, Pearl Harbor implied in the shift in tone of subsequent entries, the shelling of Fort Stevens on the Oregon Coast in June 1942, the Italian armistice, Roosevelt’s death in April 1945, Patton’s death in December 1945, Hirohito’s renunciation of divinity on 30 December 1945. He tracked the Tripartite Pact, Bulgaria joining the Axis, the Destroyers for Bases Agreement, Wendell Willkie’s nomination, Roosevelt’s four elections and death. He noted Reed Smoot’s death in Florida in February 1941. He recorded his own age, 76, in his eulogy for Roosevelt, signed 13 April 1945 in San Rafael, California, calling him a wonderful good man, a man of feeling, and placing him at the head of all presidents.

The theological inquiry running from pages 45 through 113 is the most unexpected and sustained writing in the journal. James worked through the Bible the way he worked through everything, methodically, with citations, inviting the reader to draw their own conclusions. He catalogued contradictions between the Gospels on nearly every major event: the flight into Egypt versus the presentation in Jerusalem, the number of women at the sepulcher, the hour of the crucifixion, what Christ was given to drink, who killed him, where he ascended. He listed Old Testament laws on slavery, human sacrifice, and the killing of children and asked whether the reader would want to live under them. He argued that if God made everything he made Satan, and if he is all-powerful why did he not simply make all men good. He cited Judges 1:19, God could not drive out the people of the valley because they had chariots of iron, as proof that God is not omnipotent. He compared Jehovah to the Japanese Emperor Hirohito, who admitted his divinity was a fake. He closed with Pries Craft. And yet he had declared at the outset, on page 47, that we are forbidden to put our own interpretation on scripture, we must accept it as written by men directed by God. He was not rejecting the Bible. He was reading it exactly as written, and asking what it actually said.

The journal ends where it began, with pre-printed surveyor’s tables, the manufacturer’s content that gave the book its original purpose. In between are Etta’s grocery bills, a recipe for curing meat, the World Series inning by inning, the day Chamberlain flew to see Hitler, the day James first received his old age pension, his philosophy stated plainly: I believe in working in stead of weeping. Take Things as they Come with a Smile. Do all the Good you Can to others. and you will be happy. The last Christmas dinner he and Etta had together was in San Rafael in 1945. They had turkey. She died 21 February 1946 in Phoenix. They had lived together 9 years and 7 months.

It is a working man’s record. But it is his voice, in his hand, and it is more than this researcher has ever had before.

Ross in Hawaii

I remember Grandpa, Milo James Ross, telling the story of his arrival in Hawaii. He often shared that, upon arriving, he heard over the loudspeakers that he was the father of a new baby boy. Somehow in my mind, I always equated Dad’s birth as the same date Grandpa arrived in Hawaii. Now knowing communications and technology available in 1943, the birth would not have been communicated to Hawaii the same day. The story suggests the birth and related information arrived before Grandpa to Hawaii. But by how much time?

First, Grandpa’s obituary (which I helped write) indicates he enlisted in the Army in October 1942. In the 1997 interview, Grandpa says he went in on “the first draft” shortly after Pearl Harbor (December 1941). He says he was sent to Fort Douglas and shipped out to Fort Lewis the same day. Grandpa also gave me the date for the photo below as 1942, which is almost a year after Pearl Harbor. He was pretty clear to tell me that when he enlisted, he was not aware that Grandma was pregnant. The first draft after Pearl Harbor, whatever that means, seems fairly immediate to me placing enlistment in 1941.

(l-r): Kenneth Barrow, Ellis or Keith Lund, Milo Ross, Jim Jardine, Unknown, Victor Wayment, Earl Collins 16 Oct 1942

The University of Utah Veterans Support Center states Grandpa landed in Hawaii on 4 July 1942. That seems to collaborate the 1997 interview with him enlisting right after Pearl Harbor. I wondered if that was a typo or if they had some records I was not aware. Was he in the army a whole year and just happened to be in Hawaii when the birth was announced?

There had to be some records out there to help clarify or pin down the dates. Military records give the insight needed. It was years since I did this search, and fortunately more records and information are now available. I try to link to them as they are referenced.

The 33rd Infantry Division arrived in Hawaii on 12 July 1943. Multiple independent military history sources — the U.S. Army Center of Military History, Army Divisions records, and others — all confirm this same date. As a reminder, Grandpa was in the 33rd Infantry Division, 130th Regiment, Company C.

The Division’s timeline shows it moved to Fort Lewis in August 1942. In March 1943, after Grandpa arrived in October 1942, the Division moved to Camp Young, California. There it conducted Desert Training Center maneuvers from April to June 1943 and then shipped to Hawaii in July 1943. This follows the pattern in Grandpa’s 1997 interview. (We have many photos of Grandma’s visit to Grandpa at Fort Lewis, I should share some of those.)

Dad was born on 4 July 1943, and the birth announcement came over the loudspeaker as the ship arrived in Hawaii. The official arrival date of 12 July 1943 means the ship would have been at sea on July 4th. “Sergeant Ross, congratulations. Your wife and son are doing well, and, one more thing, before you get off the ship you and your men have guard duty for the next four hours. Welcome to Hawaii.”

Additionally, a detailed record of another soldier, Staff Sergeant Charles Greer, in Company B of the 130th Infantry Regiment confirms the division’s movements through Fort Lewis in September 1942, Camp Clipper/Desert Training Center in early 1943, and onward — matching exactly what Grandpa described in his 1997 interview.

After settling the year, the next question for me was, where did they land in Hawaii and how long were they there? This took some more research to flesh out. I am grateful for those who continue to expand and make available these stories on the internet.

After arrival of the 123rd and 130th Regiments on Oahu in July 1943, the 123rd Regiment was sent to Kauai almost immediately. The 130th Regiment was sent to the Big Island almost immediately and later joined the 123rd on Kauai in December 1943.

Grandpa’s ship likely docked at a port on Oahu, almost certainly Honolulu Harbor. Honolulu was the primary army troop arrival port, rather than Pearl Harbor which was a naval base.

The primary Army installation area on the Big Island was Waikoloa Maneuver Area, near Waimea. Waimea is on the northern part of the island. Waikoloa Maneuver Area, located south of Waimea on Parker Ranch land, was used for live fire exercises in 1943. Camp Tarawa, also in Waimea, was also a major training ground used in late 1943, but primarily by Marines.

Grandpa’s 130th Regiment was almost certainly stationed in the Waimea/Waikoloa before transferring to Kauai in December 1943. I wasn’t able to find a specific named camp for the Army’s 130th Regiment there.

After the 130th joined the 123rd Regiment on Kauai in December 1943, both regiments completed their training and shipped out April 1944 to New Guinea. This comes from the Greer profile, linked above, which noted that on 21 April 1944, the 130th Infantry Regiment sailed from Honolulu to Finschhafen, New Guinea. It took two weeks to get from Honolulu to Finschhafen. Apparently, the 130th traveled on the S.S. Lurline.

The story of Sergeant Philip Beaman matches what Grandpa told in his 1997 interview. During the following months, the men worked to build up the outpost and conducted more amphibious operation training. They were even put to work unloading supplies at the port due to a shortage of stevedores. Grandpa’s account of unloading ships, digging drainage ditches, and building gravel walkways at Finschhafen matches Beaman. According to Beaman, morale suffered badly. According to the division’s own history, The Golden Cross, most men began to feel the division was “World War II’s forgotten unit.” The Division started calling themselves the “4F Division” — the Finschhafen Freight Forward Force.”

The Division arrived at Finschhafen on 11 May 1944 and remained there engaged in jungle and amphibious training. Later in 1944, the Division moved to Morotai Island arriving on 18 December 1944. The Division landed on the west coast without opposition. Grandpa also described in his interview arriving at Morotai, a PT boat mission, the bank robbery incident, booby trap explosion, and guarding the airstrip.

Dexter Kerstetter also served in Company C, 130th Infantry Regiment, with Grandpa. The Japanese had landed a regiment on the island, which lacked heavy weapons but had fortified the thick jungle around Hill 40.

On 10 February 1945, the 33rd Infantry Division landed at Lingayen Gulf, Luzon, Philippines. After Lingayen Gulf, Beaman describes combat in the foothills of the Caraballo mountain range, in areas nicknamed Bench Mark and Question Mark. From 19 February onward, there is the drive into the Caraballo Mountains toward Baguio.

Kerstetter’s history continues, that on 13 April 1945, during a battle he advanced ahead of his squad. The forward movement had been halted by intense fire that inflicted casualties. Kerstetter advanced beyond his squad and worked his way up the ridge where Japan’s defenses were located. Japan’s soldiers had the ridgeline defended with machine guns, mortars, and infantry in spider holes. He systematically took out enemy defenses with well-aimed rifle fire and grenades. Climbing above the defenses, he dropped down the ridgeline to destroy a cave entrance defense and its four defenders. He resumed his advance on the ridgeline defenses and next encountered a machine gun position, which he destroyed with accurate rifle fire and a grenade, killing four enemy soldiers. Kerstetter then fired on about 20 of Japan’s soldiers behind the main line of defense, scattering them. Out of ammunition, he returned to his squad for resupply. Having good knowledge concerning the locations of Japanese defenses, he led a platoon to the ridgeline and on the way took out a rifle position. The platoon was able to secure the ridgeline. Kerstetter killed 16 Japanese soldiers that day. Company C then held the hill, deterring Japanese counterattacks. During a counterattack two days later on 15 April 1945, Kerstetter was wounded in the leg by sniper fire and sent to a field hospital. He was promoted to sergeant and recommended for the Medal of Honor.

Grandpa being in the same Company was likely involved in some way with much of Kerstetter’s history. The Greer article places the 1st Battalion of the 130th Infantry fighting on Hill 1802 in the Labayug-Alibeng area from 23-25 February 1945. That is just two weeks after landing. The book about the 33rd Division places Hills X and Y in the Kennon Road fighting of late February to March 1945. It was Hill X that gave Grandpa the Silver Star and the whole Unit received the Presidential Citation. Shortly after Hill X Grandpa was wounded while tending to other soldiers who were awaiting medical attention. All this brutal mountain fighting took place on the approaches to Baguio.

Grandpa spent several weeks in recovery. University of Utah says two months, but that cannot be accurate. By mid April 1945 the 130th Infantry Regiment called in air support to help rifle companies get through a network of fortified hills. The fighter-bombers broke Japanese resistance and the 130th finally got across the river. The 33rd Infantry Division liberated what was left of Baguio on 26 April 1945. Grandpa indicates he was present for that liberation, which puts his recovery time at only a couple of weeks, not a full two months.

After Baguio, there was plenty of mopping up work required. The Division mopped up isolated pockets of Japanese troops around Baguio and captured the San Nicholas–Tebbo–Itogon route on 12 May 1945. Fighting continued and on 6 June 1945, Company I of the 130th Regiment was given a Medal of Honor for their activities near Tabio, Luzon. Grandpa indicates he was present at the Japanese surrender at Luzon in June 1945.

On 30 June 1945, all elements of the 33rd Division went to rest and rehabilitation areas. The division then landed on Honshū Island, Japan on 25 September 1945 and performed occupation duties until it was deactivated in early 1946. While the Division performed occupation duties, Grandpa had been honorably discharged 30 September 1945 and shipped home.

I am posting this article ahead of the 81st anniversary of the liberation of Baguio City.

Milo James Ross military medals

I previously wrote about the plaque that hung on my Grandparents’ wall in Plain City, Utah. The photo in the center of the plaque showed Milo James Ross receiving the Silver Star by Major General Clarkson.

Milo James Ross WWII medals, clippings, and photo

Before Grandpa passed away, the Army was gearing up to do a more formal presentation of his medals as some of them were just given to him without much fanfare. Apparently some of them deserved a bit more formal recognition. Initially, we were gearing up for Independence Day 2014. However, some things grind slowly forward. We were then talking about some dates in August 2014 and September 2014. Unfortunately, Grandpa passed away 17 July 2014.

In preparation for the more formal presentation, the military gave new copies of some of the medals he had already received and the others he had not yet received. We took those and put them in a shadow box for his funeral. Here is a photo we took of the box before putting it behind glass.

I am not clear on the medals and what they each mean. His obituary lists a number of his medals that were awarded to him.

His obituary included this Army service information:

“Milo enlisted in the Army in October 1942.  He served in the 33 rd Infantry Division, 130 th Regiment, Company C.  He trained in weapons and earned his expert ranking.  He arrived in Hawaii in July 1943 and received the announcement that his son, Milo Paul, had been born.  He served as part of the Philippine invasion force and they fought through the jungles and liberated Baguio City.  He was injured five times, one while tending to other soldiers awaiting medical attention.

“He was present at the Japanese surrender at Luzon as a Technical Sergeant in June 1945.  He received two purple hearts and the Silver Star for his service at the end of World War II.  His Company received a Presidential Citation for outstanding performance during armed conflict with the enemy in efforts to seize Hill X in Bilbil Mountain Province.  At the time of Milo’s death, the military was preparing to award him another Purple Heart, another Silver Star, Bronze Star, Good Conduct Medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal & Bronze Star, World War II Victory Medal, Combat Infantry Badge 1 st Award, Philippine Liberation Ribbon and Bronze Star, Honorable Service Button for World War II.  He was also to be awarded the Philippine Liberation Medal and Republic of the Philippines Presidential Unit Citation Badge from the Philippine Government.

The UofU Commemoration placard for Grandpa in 2009

The 2009 University of Utah Veterans Commemoration included this excerpt about Grandpa:

“Milo James Ross was drafted into the army shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was sent to Fort Douglas and shipped out that same day to Fort Lewis, Washington. For the next two months, he went through a weapons platoon crash course. He trained on machine guns, mortars, and hand launchers. Ross quickly earned expert ranking on these weapons. Following basic training, Ross’s unit was sent to Barstow, California. Their training focused on digging fox holes.

“Ross soon shipped out to the Hawaiian Islands, leaving behind his young pregnant wife. As his unit landed on the big island of Hawaii on July 4, 1942, a voice on the loud speaker said, “Sergeant Ross, congratulations. Your wife and son are doing well, and, one more thing, before you get off the ship you and your men have guard duty for the next four hours. Welcome to Hawaii.”

“After a long training in Hawaii, Ross’s unit, “C” Company, 130 Infantry Regiment, 33rd Infantry Division, became part of the Philippine invasion force. They hit the beach in Lingayen Gulf and intensely fought their way through jungles and mountains to the inland city of Baguio.

“Ross was wounded while tending other soldiers who were awaiting medical attention. He spent two months in a hospital while recovering from shrapnel wounds all over his body.

“The day after Ross returned to his unit, they jumped into three months of fighting that only ended with the Japanese surrender at Luzon in June, 1945.

“Company C, 130th Infantry Regiment was awarded a Presidential Unit Citation for outstanding performance of duty and superb courage during armed conflict with the enemy in their efforts to seize Hill X in the Bilbil Mountain Province in the Philippines. For his service, Ross was awarded the Purple Heart and the Silver Star.

The same shadowbox on display at his funeral

BYU Library – Special Collections has this biography and reference citation of Grandpa:

“Milo James Ross (1921-2014) was a World War II veteran who fought in the Pacific battles.

“Milo Ross was born February 4, 1921 just north of Plain City, Utah to John Jack William Ross and Ethel Sharp Ross. When Milo was barely four, his mother passed away in childbirth. Milo and his siblings were cared for by their maternal grandparents until financial strains forced Milo to be raised by his uncle, Edward Sharp, in Plain City, Utah. He grew up farming with his cousins and attended the local schools, eventually graduating from Weber High in 1939. In 1940, at a Plain City celebration, Milo met Gladys Maxine Donaldson and two years later, on April 4, 1942, they were married in her parents’ home in Ogden, Utah. The October of that same year, Milo enlisted in the United States Army at Fort Douglas, Utah, becoming a member of the 33rd Infantry Division, 130th Regiment, Company C. After training they were sent to Needles, California handling freight, setting up tents and digging trenches and then on to Hawaii for further training. When they arrived in Hawaii, on July 4, 1943, Ross was informed his son, Milo Paul, had been born that very same day. Ross’s company was assigned to become part of the Philippine invasion force where they fought in New Guinea and Luzon. They fought through the jungles, liberated Baguio City, was present at the Japanese surrender in Luzon in June 1945, and left Ross injured on five separate occasions.

“Milo Ross was honorably discharged in September of 1945. He was honored with two Purple Hearts, the Silver Star, and the Presidential Citation for outstanding performance. Returning home, Milo worked remodeling homes. He also had two daughters: Judy Ethel and Caroline. Gladys and Milo solemnized their marriage July 2, 1976 in the Ogden Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Gladys died in 2004.

“Milo James Ross died in Plain City, Utah on July 17, 2014 at the age of 93.

Citation:

“Standard examiner, via WWW, March 2, 2018 (Milo James Ross; born February 4, 1921 in a log cabin north of Plain City to John Jack William Ross and Ethel Sharp Ross; mother tragically died from childbirth in 1925; Milo and his siblings lived with Ross grandparents until the costs proved too great and his Uncle Edward Sharp raised Milo in Plain City until adulthood; He attended schools in Plain City and graduated from Weber High in 1939; farmed with sharp cousins; Gladys Maxine Donaldson at a Plain City celebration in 1940; married April 4, 1942 in her parent’s home on 8th Street in Ogden; enlisted in the Army in October 1942; 33rd Infantry Division, 130th Regiment, Company C; Philippine invasion force and they fought through the jungles and liberated Baguio City; injured five times; present at the Japanese surrender at Luzon as a Technical Sergeant in June 1945; two Purple Hearts and the Silver Star; Presidential Citation for outstanding performance; He returned home in 1945 and worked remodeling homes; children Milo Paul, Judy Ethel and Caroline; solemnized their marriage July 2, 1976 in the Ogden LDS Temple; died in Plain City on July 17, 2014)

“UPB files, March, 2, 2018 (Milo James Ross; born Feb. 4, 1921 in Plain City, Utah; Joined army Oct. 1942 at Fort Douglas, Utah; fought in new Guinea and Luzon; sent to Needles, California handling freight, setting up tents and digging trenches; sent to Hawaii and landed July 4, 1943 where he received news his son had been born that very same day; wife passed away in 2004 and daughter on 1998)

The new medals shadowbox on display at his funeral

Unit Citation for Company C 130th Infantry Regiment

Milo James Ross given Silver Star by Major General Clarkson

I wrote previously about Milo James Ross receiving the Silver Star. Today I wanted to share the order for the Unit Citation for Company C 130th Infantry Regiment of 33d Infantry Division. Grandpa received his Silver Star for the same activities that are referenced and the purpose for this Citation. Here is the language.

                                                            Headquarters 33d Infantry Division

                                                                                A.P.O   33

General Orders                                                                                                                  5 July 1945

Number 159

                                                                                     Unit Citation

 Under the provisions of Section 1V, Circular No. 333, War Department, 22 December 1943, the following unit is cited by the Commanding General, 33d Infantry Division:

  COMPANY C 130TH INFANTRY REGIMENT, is cited for outstanding performance of duty in armed conflicts with the enemy. Bilbil Mountain Province, Luzon, Philippine Islands, an extremely rugged forest covered, key defensive position was occupied by a company of Japs reenforced with a heavy machine gun section. A 90mm mortar section, and two sections (2 guns) of 75mm howitzers. This commanding ground afforded excellent observation and enabled the enemy to maneuver its forces and supporting weapons to advantageous positions to successfully repel seven previous attempts to seize Hill “X”, the strategically important knob on the southeastern slope of Bilbil Mountain. Hill “X” was honeycombed with prepared positions from which the enemy observed and harassed our movements along the Gallano-Baguio Road. On 12 April 1945, Company C, under the sweltering sun, laboriously climbed the steep mountainous trails, which followed the crest of an extremely narrow hogback ridge which, except for short cogon grass and spares bamboo growths, was devoid of cover, and pushed to within 400 yards of the crest of Hill “X” when they were met a heavy barrage of 90mm mortar fire which enveloped the entire ridge. Simultaneously, intense enemy machine gun and rifle fire emanating from the many camouflaged spider-holes and caves astride the trail inflicted many casualties forcing the company to dig it. A reconnaissance revealed no other route to the objective so the company evacuated its casualties and aggressively pressed against this seemingly impenetrable fortress throughout the day making the enemy disclose his strongpoints. On 13 April 1945, despite the fact that the men were weary from the strenclimb, the fierce fighting and constant watchfulness against night infiltration, the company launched a dawn attack. Undaunted by the intense fire which inflicted five casualties to the leading elements, the gallant fighting men of Company C imbued with an indomitable fighting spirit swiftly worked their way up the knifelike ridge, and in the fiercest kind of close-in fighting wiped out six Jap machine gun nests in succession, killing the defending Japs in their holes. The enemy fanatically contested with intense fire every foot of the way to the summit, but undismayed Company C seized Hill “X” and dig in, tenaciously holding on despite continuous harassing fire delivered from the dominating position on Bilbil Mountain. That night the Japs reenforced Bilbil Mountain and subjected Company C to repeated counter-attacks. Another company sent to assist in the attack on Bilbil Mountain on 14 April 1945 succeeded in reaching the summit only to be driven of by the fierce Jap counter-attack. The full fury and power of the Japs was again turned on Company C which alone held its position,, successfully repulsing all of the severe and determined counter-attacks. The tired fighting men of the Company C exhibiting unwavering fighting spirit, despite nearly 50 per cent casualties, tenaciously held Hill “X” for five days until reenforcements were available to continue the attack and annihilate the enemy. In the accomplishments of this mission, the unflinching devotion in duty and superb displayed by each man of the company reflected the highest traditions on the armed forces.

             BY COMMAND OF MAJOR GENERAL CLARKSON:

                                                                                                            A.T McANSH

                                                                                                            Colonel, G.S.C..

                                                                                                            Chief of Staff

Official:

   F.B WATSON

   Major, A.G.D..

   Actg. Adj. Gen

Distribution :

         “C”

Silver Star Awarded

Milo James Ross Silver Star being awarded by Major General Clarkson

Above is the frame of Grandpa’s awards that hung on the wall in their living room. This is the only photo I have of his being awarded the Silver Star by Major General Clarkson.

Here is the language of the letter related to the incident.

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                                                      Headquarters 33d Infantry Division

                                                                              A.P.O      33

GENERAL ORDERS

NUMBER    204

                                                         SILVER STAR—…………..II

                                                         Section I

                SILVER STAR — Awards. By direction of the President, the provision of the act of Congress approved 9 July 1918, (Bul 43 WD 1918), a Silver Star is awarded by the Commanding General, 33d Infantry Division, to the following-name officers and enlisted men:

                Technical Sergeant Milo J Ross, 39 834 044, Infantry, United States Army. For gallantry in action in the vicinity of Galiabo, Mountain Province, Luzon, Philippines Islands, on 13 April 1945. Sargent Ross, weapons platoon sergeant, was attacking with his rifle company along a very narrow ridge when the enemy, holding the commanding ground, subjecting the leading elements to intense machine gun fire from four well camouflaged emplacements fifty to seventy-five yards distant. At the same time, enemy machine guns and mortars opened fire on the reminder of the company from the flank. Several men were wounded and the advance was halted. Sergeant Ross was called upon to place mortar fire on the enemy guns and silence then before further casualties were suffered. Recognizing that due to the proximity of our troops to the target it would endanger their lives to fire from his position because good observation was impossible, and being aware of the extreme danger of moving his men to a forward position, Sergeant Ross seized a mortar tube and several rounds of ammunition, and, alone unaided, worked his way forward in the face of intense enemy fire until he was within forty yards of the nearest enemy machine gun. Firing at point blank range, Sergeant Ross accurately placed fire against the enemy strong points until his ammunition was expended superbly covering the targets, forcing the enemy to seek cover and enabling the assault squad to close in and destroy the four machine gun nests, killing twenty-six enemy. Freed from this stubborn enemy opposition, the company moved forward to seize its objective. Sergeant Ross courage, fighting spirit and devotion to duty reflect great credit upon himself and the military service. Home address: Mrs. Gladys Maxine Ross ( wife, 620 5th Street, Ogden, Utah.)

                                BY COMMAND OF MAJOR GENERAL CLARKSON:

OFFICIAL: /S/ Anthony E Meehl,                                                 A. T. McAnsh

                         Anthony S Meehl,                                                 Colonel, G.S.C.,

                         Captain, A.G.D.,                                                     Chief Of Staff

                          Actg. Adj. Gen,

Some additional information

Percy William Clarkson (9 December 1893 – 14 September 1962).

Andrew Thomas McAnsh (6 April 1905 – 4 February 1983).

Anthony E Meehl (15 August 1911 – 25 November 1988).

Copy of the Excerpt Grandpa kept of his Silver Star Award.

Milo Ross 1997 Interview

Interview of Milo Ross

By

Wayne Carver

08-13-1997

Tape I – A

University of Utah Veterans Commemoration in 2009

Wayne: Okay. I’m at Milo Ross’ home in Plain City, which is just through the lots from where I grew up at and the date is what, August the 13th?

Milo:    Probably the 13th today.

Wayne: Wednesday August 13th. This is tape one, side one of a conversation I’m having with Milo.

(tape stopped)

Milo:    Should have put on there Plain City.

Wayne: Oh, well, I’ll remember that.  But I have trouble if I don’t do that little preliminary stuff, is I get the tapes mixed up.  You have a quiet voice, so I think I could find a book or something to – oh—

Milo:    Here’s one right here.

Wayne: Just to prop this –

Milo:    How about this?  What do you need?

Wayne: Just something like this.

Milo Ross in uniform at Fort Lewis, Washington

Milo: Oh

Wayne: Since I want –

Milo: Here’s some more book.  You know, you said you was talking to Aunt Vic Hunt.  I’ll tell you a story about her.  She’s over to the rest home, see.  Yardley, he came in and he says – he and an attorney came in and he says, Mrs. Hunt, he says, you sure got a rhythm out of heart.  He says, you gotta start moving around taking it a little more easy, don’t hurt yourself.  She says, “listen you young punk.” she says, “Why don’t you tell me something I don’t know anything about. I’ve lived with that all my life,” she says.

Wayne: Well Paul – or Milo, can I just ask you a few obvious questions for the — and then – can you tell me your full legal name?

Milo: Do you wanna start now?

Wayne: yeah.

Milo: My name’s Milo James Ross.

Wayne: And what date were you born?

Milo: February the 4th, 1921.

Wayne: So, you’re two years older than I.

Milo: Born in ’21.

Wayne: Right, I was born in ’23?

Milo: ’23.

Wayne: Yeah. Where were you born?

Milo: Plain City.

Wayne: And who were your parents?

Milo: My mother was Ethel Sharp Ross.  That’d be Vic Hunt’s sister.  Ed Sharp’s sister, Dale Sharp’s sister.  My dad was Jack Ross.  And he came from Virginia.  They came out west and settled over in Rupert and Paul, Idaho.  When they found out they was gonna have a sugar factory in that area.  So, they run the railroad track a ride out.  What they really done, they bummed their way out on the railroad, flat cars at that time.  They was bringing coal and stuff out from Virginia out into that country.  And Dad and Grandad and all the relatives that could decided to come out.  And that was the only way they could afford to come out because nobody had any money.  So they settled around Paul and Rupert, Idaho area.  And that’s where my dad met my mother, Ethel Ross, because she had that store I was telling you about in Paul.

Wayne: Yes, go back and tell me again for the tape how your mom got up in Paul running a store.

Milo: Well, the – when they were going to work and back and forth from Plain City in to Ogden, they used to ride the Old Bamberger track out here.  And when they – when the first came out, they had a – it was an electrical trolley car, you probably remember it had an arm on top that had –

Wayne: Right, yeah.

Milo: — Track.  I remember riding the car once and I was down to Wilmer Maw’s helping them unload coal and stuff like that out of the boxcars down there.  But that old dummy car used to bring them cars down there.  They had a spur at Wilmer Maw’s store and also at Roll’s garage.  Stopped right there.

Wayne: That’s right, yeah, I remember that.

Milo: Then they used to ship vegetables and stuff out from the railroad track from there out.  But mother was going to Ogden on this – I don’t know how – how you call it a Bamberger Track Car, Trolley Car, or whatever you call it.  But when they got making a turn and transferring, probably around 17th street in there where they used to be the headquarters, they got bumped and some of them got knocked down and hurt.  I never did find out how bad my mother was, but the railroad company settled out of court and give them all so much money apiece, the ones that got hurt.

Well, my mother, she knew of a place in Paul Idaho that had some property.  She decided to go there and buy that little store front and live in Paul, Idaho, because she married this Mark Streeter at that time.  Maybe you remember him.

Wayne: oh, yes, yeah.

Milo: Mark Streeter.  They went into Paul, Idaho and –

Wayne: Was she married to Mark?

Milo: She got married to him –

Wayne: When the accident occurred:

Milo: No. not – not – just after.

Wayne: uh-hu.

Milo: But she got the settlement and he found out that she had the money and everything and she had gone to Idaho, so I figured he – he probably figured she was a rich old dog, he went to Idaho to marry her.

Wayne: I see yeah.

Milo: So he went to the – up the store, Paul, Idaho, up there and they got married.  And then they had a child, June Streeter, that lived with Dale Sharp, if you remember, for a long time.

Wayne: Yeah, vaguely.

Milo:  But – and then she stayed with the Streeters in Ogden most of her life, June did.  And then the war broke out, World War I.  Mark Streeter, her husband, joined the army and left my mother, Ethel Ross, Sharp Ross Streeter, abandoned in Idaho without a husband with this daughter, and he never did return.  So after so many years, my dad met my mother in Paul, Idaho at the store because the Ross had come there to work at the sugar factory from Virginia, the grandparents and the whole family, Phibbs and the whole – lot moving out, have a moved out down to there to try to get work.  So that’s how my dad met my mother was in Paul, Idaho, because they had Streeters confectionery.  And that’s (unintelligible).

Wayne:  Did your mother have no contacts up at Paul?  Were there Plain City people or-

Milo:  That’s something I never did know because Uncle Ed Sharp never told me.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  See, I was – mother came back here after she married dad, Jack Ross, we lived down by Abe Maw’s in an old log cabin house.

Wayne: With your father and mother?

Milo:  Yes, Jack and my mother, Ethel.  And then mother got sick with childbirth.  There was – here mother had Milo – well, she had June to start out with Streeter.

Wayne:  With Streeter, yeah.

Milo Ross in Canada 1986

Milo:  And then she had Milo, my name, Milo James Ross, with Jack Ross, dad.  And then there was Paul Ross.

Wayne:  Little Paul?

Milo:  Paul Ross, the blond, he fell out of Ed Sharp’s barn, broke his arm, fell on his head and concussion and he died when he was about 11 or 12 years old.

Wayne:  I remember that, yeah.

Milo:  And that was up at Ed Sharp’s barn.  Then there was Harold Ross, and then baby John Ross.  But John Ross died at childbirth with female trouble.  And that was down in Abe Maw’s property where the old log cabin house was.

And then when Mother died, my Dad, he had no way of feeding us down here because he’d come from Idaho down here with her to come back to live in Utah around her folks.  They decided to – he didn’t’ know what to do.  He couldn’t feed us.  So he went to each one of the Sharps families and Os Richardson ad everybody else and they said they wouldn’t help him.

Wayne:  Os had married Mary—

Milo: Mary –

Wayne:  –yeah.

Milo: — Sister to Ethel.

Wayne:  Mary Sharp.

Milo:  So – and Ray Sharp, he didn’t want us.  Over in Clinton.

Wayne:  Oh, I didn’t know him.

Milo:  Well, he was Ed Sharp’s brother.  There was Ed Sharp, lived out here, and Dale Sharp.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  But it was hard times for everybody.  They didn’t have no money to feed nobody extra.

Wayne:  This would be in the twenties?

Milo:  That would be back in nineteen twenty – I was born in ’21 and I was five when I come back here, when they brought – the Sharps brought us back here from going back to Idaho.  But when I was five, my dad took us to the hot springs and carried us kids – took us to the hot springs, and put us on an old – I don’t know whether the church built a railroad track into Idaho or not.  But they got on a dummy or a car and they went into Paul, Idaho, from the hot springs at that time.

Wayne:  And you went up on that?

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  And –

Milo:  My dad?

Wayne:  — Harold.

Milo:  — Harold.

Wayne: And Paul.

Milo: And Paul.

Wayne:  And you went back up to Paul?

Milo:  Paul, Idaho.  I was – I was in the neighborhood about four years old at that time when he took us back.

Wayne:  Now, he went with you?

Milo:  He took us back there because dad – Grandpa and Grandma lived in Paul or Rupert, right in that area.

Wayne:  Grandpa and Grandma –

Milo:  Ross.

Wayne:  –Ross?

Milo: Ross.

Wayne:  Okay, yeah.

Milo:  And they was from – Where’d I tell you?

Wayne: Virginia:

Milo:  Virginia.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.  And how long did you live up there?

Milo:  About a year.  But you see, there was no money to feed kids.  They couldn’t buy groceries and stuff.  They came out here poor people.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And they was working at the railroad – sugar factory trying to make a dollar.  And Mother, she figured maybe send the kids – when she got sick, send them back up to Grandpa and Grandma.  And see, Grandpa and Grandma was old and they couldn’t take care of us, so she – she just couldn’t make a go of it with the store and because she was sick, you know, with childbirth.  And then they – I don’t know what they done with the store and everything back up there, but it really wasn’t a lot, but still it was a place they was making a little money.

Wayne:  But had your mom passed away by –

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  – – When you went back?

Milo: Yes.

Wayne:  Did she die down here?

Milo:  She died in the log cabin house.

Wayne:  So she’s buried in the Plain City Cemetery?

Milo:  Right on Ed Sharp’s lots next to Ed Sharp and his wife. (Telephone rings.) Let me catch that.

Wayne:  Can I borrow – –

(Pause in Tape.)

Milo:  … Ross and gas station there at five points.  And this is his boy, Nick Kuntz, married this Rhees girl and the lived right across the street.

Wayne:  I probably know her aunts and uncles up in Pleasant View.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Beth and – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  – -Dorothy and – –

Milo:  See, her dad helped build these homes here for Jones when they built this housing unit when they bought that ground from Blanch Estate there.

Wayne:  Oh, the Wheeler – –

Milo:  Wheeler Estate.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But I was telling you about my mother.

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  Go ahead and tell me what you want.

Wayne:  No, that’s fine because I don’t know this story.  Harold told me some of it years ago, but – –

Milo:  But – – are you still on tape?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  I’ll tell you a little bit more about dad and mother.  My dad, he always walked to work.  They had no cars then.  They had horses and buggies and that’s about all.  And he walked from Plain City over to Wilson Lane to work at the sugar factory.

Wayne:  Oh, yeah.

Milo:  And let Folkman – –

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  – – Mark Folkman, them guys used to walk through the fields to Wilson Lane every day.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: Or ride a horse.

Wayne: Yeah, that’s four miles or so.

Milo: Four or five, yeah.

Wayne:  Four or five, yeah.

Milo:  Used to go over there to work at the sugar factory.

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  And whenever they come home or anything like that, they’d bring groceries and stuff home and carry it, you know, they – – nobody had transportation at that time.  But it was tough for everybody.  You don’t – – you talk about money, there was no money.  They used – – they used scrip money, you remember, for a long time they give them kind of a paper money.  If you took a veal or something to town, they’d give you scrip money for it, and then you could trade it back for groceries.

Wayne:  Can you remember the scrip money?

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  I don’t think I can.

Milo:  I’ve got – – I’ve got some papers and stuff like the stamps they used to save, sugar stamps and stuff – –

Wayne:  During the war.

Milo:  During the war – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – You had to have a stamp and stuff like that.

Wayne:  Remember those tax tokens:

Milo:  I saved – –

Wayne:  Plastic – –

Milo:  I tacked some of them with a hole in them, you know.

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  They called them Governor Blood money or something, your dad did – –

Wayne:   Yeah

Milo:  – – Mr. Carver.  But there was no money for nobody around the country.  And my Dad tried to feed us kids when we went back to Idaho wit Grandpa and Grandma.  And they was – – they was probably like some of us today, didn’t have shoes – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – You know what I mean?

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Hard going.

Wayne: Did your Dad go back with you to Paul

Milo: He rode back to Paul and stayed back there.  He worked at the sugar factory for a long time with Grandpa.

Wayne:  Uh – huh

Milo:  And the Phibbs, there used to be a Judge Phibbs that married into the Ross Family.  And they stayed in that area there for a long time.  But I’ve – – my son now, Paul Ross, Milo Paul Ross, he’s – – he lives in Paul, Idaho.

Wayne:  Oh, does he?

Milo:  And it’s quite a coincidence, you know, and – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – I went back and I was gonna try to buy the building, one thing another, but it’s so hard to get the records and everything.  But I do have the records and plot plan and some papers of my mother’s.

Wayne:  Is the old store building – –

Milo:  The old – –

Wayne: – – Still there?

Milo:  The old store is there.  I wanted to try to buy it, but Paul, Idaho, wants to restore the – – that street.  Kind of run down, dilapidated, you know.  They don’t wanna do anything right now until they get the money to go ahead and do things like that with it.  But my dad called and said for the Sharps to come and get the boys because they couldn’t feed us.  So that’s why Ed Sharp, Dale Sharp, and Fred Hunt, Aunt Vic Hunt, they took each one of us a kid.  Ed Sharp took me Milo.

Wayne:  Uh – huh.

Milo:  Dale Sharp took Harold.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And Fred Hunt, that would be Aunt Vic, my mother’s sister, Vic Hunt, they took Paul.  And then June, she stayed with the Streeters all the time.

Wayne:  Now, they’re in Ogden.

Milo:  In Ogden.

Wayne:  Uh – huh

Milo:  So that’s how – – that’s why June didn’t stay here with us all the time.

Wayne:  Now, this Streeter business, did – – Mark you say disappeared.

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  Did he never come back?

Milo:  He came back later on in years.  He went as prisoner – – He went A.W.O.L.

Wayne:  Uh – huh.

Milo: Do you understand me?

Wayne: Yeah

Milo:  They called him a traitor of the country.  They figured he spied against the United States.

Wayne:  Was he overseas?

Milo:  I don’t know.

Wayne:  Good heavens, I – –

Milo:  But, you know, you hear these stories.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And then in World War II, he done the same thing.  He collaborated with the Japanese out of San Francisco, see.

Wayne: Good Lord.

Milo:  Yeah, Mark Streeter.  But he says he didn’t, but he did.  You understand me?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  He – – He seemed like he always had his nose with the enemy.  You understand what I mean?

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  Trying to make money that way.

Wayne:  What did he do to make a living when he came back?

Milo:  He’s just a dog catcher, something, picked up side jobs, Mark Streeter.

Wayne:  Of course mother had divorced him then – –

Milo: right.

Wayne:  – – on grounds of desertion.

Milo:  desertion.

Wayne: Okay

Milo:  That’s why she married my Dad.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  But, see, Dad called the Sharps and asked them to come and get the kids.  So that would be in the wintertime they come and got us, and Ed Sharp took me, Fred Hunt took Paul, Dale Sharp took Harold.

Wayne:  And June?

Milo:  Stayed with the Streeters.

Wayne:  In Ogden.

Milo:  Grandma Streeter.

Wayne:  And she was – – she was a Streeter.  Her father had been Mark Streeter.

Milo:  My sister is a Streeter.  I’m a Ross.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  We’re half.

Wayne:  Yeah. Is – – is June still alive?

Milo:  June’s still alive.  She lives down in California.

Wayne:  I don’t think I ever knew her, but I’m sure she was in Plain City a lot.

Milo:  She stayed around with Fern Sharp all the time.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  They used to come out and stay there.  And – –

Wayne:  When she went – – when she came down from Paul and you guys went to the Sharps, she went – – did she stay with Mark Streeter then her father.

Milo:  Mark Streeter’s mother.

Wayne:  Oh, not with Mark?

Milo:  Well, Mark Streeter lived with his mother.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Do you understand it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And, oh, you remember Christensen, lives down by the store.

Wayne: Pub?

Milo: Yeah

Wayne:  And Cap – –

Milo:  He – – he lived down below Jack’s garage.  But he had a brother that lived up by – –  Ralph Taylor lives there now.

Wayne:  Well, Cap Christensen – –

Milo: Cap Christensen.

Wayne: A – – (Unintelligible)

Milo:  That was Cap, wasn’t it?

Wayne:  Yeah, that was Cap.

Milo:  Yeah.  But you see, they had a daughter, would be Harold Christensen and – –

Wayne:  And Max.

Milo: Max and all them – –

Wayne:  Artell.

Milo: Artell.

Wayne: (Unintelligible)

Milo:  Artell used to run around with my sister, June, and Fern Sharp – –

Wayne: Oh.

Milo: – – The three of them.  You probably remember them together.

Wayne:  I just spent an afternoon with Fern.

Milo:  Did you?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Fern Sharp?

Wayne:  Yeah. Shields.

Milo:  Yeah

Wayne:  Well, I’ve got that straight at last then.  But do you know how long Mark Streeter was away before he came back?

Milo:  Mark Streeter must have been away about four, five years, a deserter of the country.

Wayne:  I wonder what he did in those – –

Milo:   They – – they figured he was a traitor to the United States.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But he said he was sick in the hospital.  They – – I really never did know.

Wayne:  Yeah.  I wonder if anyone does.

Milo:  The only way you could ever find out would be to go through court records.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Weber County.

Wayne:  Yeah. Okay.  So that you’re with Ed, Paul’s with – –

Milo:  Fred and Vic.

Wayne:  – – Fred and Vic, and Harold’s with Dale and – –

Milo:  Violet.  She was – –

Wayne: Violet.

Milo:  Her name was Violet Grieves before she married Sharp.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  She’d be related to Pete Grieve and them.

Wayne:  Uh – huh

Milo:  And they would be related to the Easts in Warren.  And Ed Sharp’s wife was East from Warren.

Wayne:  She was.

Milo:  So see, there’s kind of a – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – Intermarriage through the – – each family down through that line down – – but when Dad told the Sharps to come and get us out of Idaho, they came up to get us.  And I was about five years old when they come.  And before – – before we was ready to come home to Utah again, us kids was playing in bed and I got a – – a fishhook caught in the bottom part of my eyelid here.

Wayne:  Good Lord.

Milo:  And I was only maybe five years old and – –

Wayne: yeah.

Milo:  – – I remembered it.  And I can remember my Grandpa telling me, do not pull, leave it alone, leave it alone, and he said, I’ll have to get you some help.  So, they went and got some help and these guys come back and I heard one of them say, you take his feet and I’ll take his arms.  You know.  And somebody else hold his head.  So, what they done, they – – they – – I think they must have cut the hook or something and then reversed and took it out.  I don’t know what they done.  But it was caught in the bottom of my eyelid.  But they – – I was sore of that when I come to Utah.  And then when – – I don’t know whether Dale Sharp was with Os Richardson when they come up to get us or not.  But they come up in a big car to Paul, Idaho, and they brought us home across the Snake River at Paul, between Paul and Rupert there someplace to bring us back home.  And every so often, I’d look back and I – – I thought I could always see Grandpa and Grandma and my Dad waving goodbye to me.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And farther down the road we got, it seemed like we were always stopping, the car had trouble or something, tires or something.  Putting water in it and that this – –

Wayne: This is Os and Mary’s car.

Milo: Yes.

Wayne: Did Mary come up?

Milo: I don’t remember whether Aunt Mary was with us or not.  I don’t remember who was in the car, but I do remember Os Richardson because he was kind of a heavyset man and he was quite blunt.

Wayne: Yeah, I remember him.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  He was our neighbor down at Warren.

Milo: Yeah

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  He was quite blunt.  And he’s – – I figured him a mean man.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  And when I’d wave, he’d also say, put your arm down, you know, don’t distract me, and this and that, you know.

Wayne: Yeah

Milo:  But we rode in the back seat, but I’d look back and didn’t matter which hill.  I could see my Grandpa and Grandma.

Wayne:  Yeah.   Yeah.

Milo:  But it was quite an experience.  We came home and they.

Wayne:    How old you were then, Milo?

Milo:  Five years old.

Wayne:  Five.

Milo:  But they – – they brought me back and give me to Ed Sharp.  And they took Paul down and left him with Fred and Vic.  And then they took Paul – – Harold down and give him with Dale Sharp.  But I think Dale Sharp went us with us – – them to bring us back.  And we were only within what, two or three blocks of each other, and yet I couldn’t go see him.  They was afraid I’d run away.

Wayne: Oh

Milo:  So I was kind of quarantined, you know, and you’ll get to see him on the weekend.  You know, they was trying to separate us.

Wayne:  Could be, yeah.

Milo:  And when Paul come here, he had a hernia down right this side of his groin.  And when he’d cough or sneeze, it’d pop open like a ball inside.

Wayne:  He’s just a little boy.

Milo: Little boy.  And it would pop open and they had kind of a – – like a leather strap or something around there and a pad around it to kind of hold it in – –

Wayne:  A truss.

Milo: – – Truss or something.

Wayne:  A trust, yeah.

Milo:  But it was tough for us kids.

Wayne:  I’ll bet it was tough.

Milo:  It was tough.

Wayne:  You – – you were the oldest.

Milo:  I was the oldest, five.

Wayne:  Five and – –

Milo:  Four and three.

Wayne:  Harold was four – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  No, Harold was – –

Milo:  Paul.

Wayne: Paul.

Milo:  And Harold.  Five, four, three.

Wayne:  Five, four, three.  Yeah and June was maybe six?

Milo:  She was probably two years older than us.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Three, I don’t remember just what.

Wayne:  Did you ever see your dad – –

Milo:  Yes, sir.

Wayne:  – – Again:

Milo:  After the war, I went into the service, World War II, and I received a letter from Livermore, California, and it stated that my Dad was a veteran, World War I, and he was in Livermore, California not expected to live over maybe a week, three, four days.  And he would like to see one of his boys if they’d like to come and see him before he died.  And the Sharps and everybody told me leave him alone because he was a no good man.  He never cared about us.

Well, I’d married my wife, Gladys, and we had this son, Milo Paul, but her dad Donaldson says, “Heck, Milo, if you wanna go down see your dad,” he says, “I’ll give you the greyhound bus fair down.  $55, $80, whatever it is.”

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  He said you’ll have to thumb your way back.  I said, well, if I get down there I’ll get to see him, that’d be fine.  I asked my wife, if it would be all right to go, and she said yes.

Wayne:  Were you living in Plain City?

Milo:  Living in Plain City.  And we were renting at that time just a house, you know.  And I says to Dale Sharp and them, I says, I thought maybe I’d go down and see my Dad.  And they says, forget about him.  Him he’s no good son of a bugger, you know, they called him by a name – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – So I decided to go and I went to Livermore, California, and I jumped a ride out with an army truck and to Livermore, California, Hospital.  I got there late – –

Wayne:  Was this an army hospital?

Milo:  Yeah. Veterans’ Hospital, Livermore.  And I got there late in the evening.  And nothing was going around and nobody was doing anything, it was on the weekend.  So I go into the hospital and nobody’s around so I just kind of walked through the – – it was late and maybe 1:00, 1:30 in the evening, night.  And I walked down through the halls and went up on the second floor and walked down the aisle a little bit, and I thought, well, maybe what I better do is just sit here in the corner, and maybe have a catnap for a while.  Then I heard somebody cough, and heard them say, “what time is it?”  And somebody said, “it’s about 1:30, 2:00 o’clock,” see?  So I heard this talking and I walked down the hall a ways and I seen the one light on one of the beds and I says – – stepped towards the door, and I says, “Does anybody happen to know a Jack Ross or anybody in here, is anybody here can hear me?”  And a voice come back and it says, yes.  “Come on in, Milo or Harold.  I’m your Dad.”

Wayne:  Oh, boy.

Milo:  And I walked right to that man’s door.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And It’s – – And about that time, two guys grab me by the arm and escorted me out of the room.  And they gonna have me put in jail because he had no visitors.  You understand me?  He was on oxygen and this and that.   So I says, “Oh, what difference does it make?”  I said, “I’m his son.  I don’t remember my dad.”  I says “At least you could do is let me tell him goodbye.  If he’s gonna die, what difference does it make?”  So these two orderlies says, “you stay outside for a while.”  So I stood there by the door and they hurried and they put some needles and stuff in his legs.  Was probably giving him morphine or something.  I don’t know what they were doing, trying to do keep him alive longer, something, I don’t know what they were doing.  But I says to the one gentleman, he run past me fast, and I says, “Couldn’t I just say goodbye to my dad anyway?” And he said, “Well, just wait a while.”  So pretty soon there was about three of them over my dad working with him, and finally the one young man says to the rest, he says, “Oh, let the kid come in and say goodbye to his dad.” So I walked in, talked to dad.  He says, “I’m sure glad you come.”  And I said, “Well, I’m Milo.”  And I said, “I don’t remember you, Dad,” but I says, “I decided after reading the Red Cross letter I would come and see and you tell you hello.  Tell you thanks for letting me have a Dad, anyway.”

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So he says, “Well, Milo,” he said, “I’m gonna tell you a secret.” He says, “When I took you kids to Idaho, I was a son of a bitch.”  Then he says, “When I got into Idaho, he says, I was a son of a bitch.”  And he says, “It didn’t matter what I done, I was a son of a bitch.”  He said, “Then they told me if I ever come back to see my kids after I sent you down to Utah, they would kill me.”

Wayne:  The Sharps told him?

Milo:  The Sharps.  I says, “Which one of the Sharps?”  And he says, “It’s best not to say, Milo.”  But he says, “I’ll tell you secret, if you don’t think I ever come to see you, ask Betty Boothe.”  He says, “You remember Betty Boothe?”  And I said, “She’s been in my home, many, many, many times.”  And he says, “I come out in a taxi cab three times, and I got Betty Boothe to go with me to see you kids.”  And he said, “I rode out to Ed Sharp’s Farm and I didn’t dare get out of the taxi.  Because I – – I was threatened I’d be killed.”  So he says, “I did wave out of the taxicab and sit there and watch you out in the field,” us kids.  And says, “If you don’t think I did,” he says, “ask Betty Boothe.”  And then I got a different feeling towards my Dad – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – when he said that.

Wayne:  Yeah, I can imagine.

Milo:  Because I could see – – now I have letters that was sent to the Sharps and the Hunts and they hid the letters from us kids.  They would not tell us that Dad and Grandpa sent us letters or anything.  And I have these letters.  And in these letters it’s Grandpa and Grandma asking please, tell us how the little kids are.  And then my Dad, he wrote a letter and he says – –

Wayne:  Now, were there – – they up in Paul all this time.

Milo:  Paul, Idaho, all that time.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  But the Sharps and them, they’d never read us the letters and everything because they – – they wanted us to be with them.  The Sharps and Hunt.  Do you understand?

Wayne:  Yeah, I understand.

Milo:  Kind of hard – – but I have those letters.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And when – –

Wayne:  He was thinking about you a lot more than you thought he was.

Milo:  Well, this is the bad part about life.  Now, Aunt Vic Hunt, when Fred Hunt died, Howard Hunt got killed in the war, her son – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: – – Fred Hunt got – – died.  Bert Hunt, their son, got electrocuted and Bob, the grandson, got electrocuted.

Wayne:  I remember that.

Milo:  The night before they got electrocuted, I helped Bert Hunt carry the milk from the barn to the milk parlor where Bert and his boy got electrocuted.    And I helped carry that milk cans the same as they did the night before.

But Aunt Vic Hunt says, “Oh, Milo, she says, I just feel like I – – I’m being punished for something.”  She says, “I’ve got a box here that came from you folks.”  And she says, “I’ve got all these letters and everything.”  She says, “I’ve read them.  And I’ve never told you about them.”  But she says, “I’m not gonna give them all to you now, but I will give you some of them.”  So she give me some of the letters.  And she had kind of an old cigar box.  Remember the old cigars boxes with a lid on it?  And she says, “I’ll give you this, too.”  She says, “I think maybe I’ve been punished long enough now.”  She says, “I’ve lost too many in my family.  Maybe I’m being punished because I haven’t been fair to you kids.”  She says, “Here’s the box, the gifts and everything they’ve sent to you.”  I says, “Aunt Vic, if that means that much to you,” I says, “You keep the box.  And then when you’re dead and gone, you tell your family to give it to me.”   But I says, “I will take these letters.  And I sure love you for it.  And thanks for being good to us kids.”  And I says, “Gladys and I will go now.”  My wife was with me.  She was really brokenhearted.  I told her she was forgiven and everything.  I says, “Live you life out.”  I done  a lot a work for aunt Vic after that.  Helped her wire the house and anything went wrong, I’d go help her, help her, help her, help her, help her.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But when she – – she died, the family never did give me the cigar box of stuff back.  They kept it.  And I think today Archie Hunt probably has it.

Wayne:  Now who would – – who is he?

Milo:  That would be Vic Hunt’s boy, grandson.  Bret Hunt – –

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  – – That got electrocuted.  This is my wife and daughter, if you’d shut that off a second I’ll help them.

(pause in the tape.)

Milo:  The letters and stuff that my wife and I got from my aunt Vic Hunt.  And when I read them, I – –  I felt a lot better towards my dad and my family because it’s – – they wanted to separate from us that Ross family altogether.  But I have an old, old bible on the Ross side that’s a great big hardback bible from Virginia.  And I have a half-brother back there.  And my dad had married a day lady back there.  When my mother died, he went back to Virginia to see if he could make ends meet to bring the family maybe to Virginia.  But he couldn’t make a go of it with the day.  And this son of his, Hobart Day, he told him about having a family here, Milo, Paul, and Harold, and John that died.  Well, all these years, Hobart, the half-brother back there, instead of keeping the Ross family, he kept the Day family.  So he kept the old bibles and everything back Virginia at the home back there.  So I got Hobart, after I made contact with him after doing genealogy work after the war, then he – – I bought his way out here, him and his wife out here twice to visit with us.  And he brought this old, old bible out here and it’s one of the King James, I’d say it’s about five, six inches deep, hardback.  You’ve probably seen them.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But I that have of the Ross Family there, but it’s quite a deal, you know.

Wayne:  Did you ever see your Ross grandparents?

Milo:  Not after.  See, they were old and feeble.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  I never even got to go to their funeral.  That’s what makes it bad.  But my brother, Harold Ross, his wife, Colleen Hancock, she done a lot of genealogy work and she’s the one that got us together on genealogy to get the Ross family back to Virginia.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And Hobart Day, the half-brother.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But it’s – – and then I have – – I have my grandparents’ old china cabinet.  And I have the old wooden washing machine.  And I have the old cream separator they used to turn the handle on.

Wayne:  Now, Which grandparents?

Milo:  The Ross and the Sharps.

Wayne:  After the – – your Ross grandparents passed away?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  And Paul.

Milo:  Yeah, I’ve got part of their – –

Wayne:  How did you get those – – That?

Milo:  Through the – – through the people in Idaho.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  See, they – – they set them aside.

Wayne:  In the ward – – well, they weren’t church members, were they?

Milo:  No.  They were Presbyterians.  They were not LDS.  But I have this old wooden wash machine.  I’ve recent – – redone it and put it together.  Made new stays for it so every part works on it and all the metal.

Wayne:  Did you go up and bring them back?

Milo:  No, they were given to me from Paul or Rupert, Idaho.  On the Phibbs side family or something like that.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So I do have – – And then on the Grandma Sharp side, I have parts of her old stuff, too, books and stuff.  I have my mother’s records of Paul, Idaho store where they – – where they sold eggs, a dozen eggs like for two and a half, three cents.

Wayne:  A dozen.

Milo:  A dozen.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Yeah.  They – – It’s amazing.  I have – – I have a lot of old antiques and stuff.  Before you leave, I’ll show you lot of my old antiques and let you see the washer and stuff like that.

Wayne:  I’d like to see that.

Milo:  Then maybe someday you’d like to come by and take a picture or of them or something.  Or you can talk to them – – while we’re looking at them, talk to us.

Wayne:  While we’re on family, your mother was a Sharp.

Milo:  Ethel Sharp.  Her dad was – – they lived where Ernie Sharp lived.  Milo Sharp.

Wayne:  Oh, yes.  Now, was it Milo – – Milo Sharp was one of them group that separated from the church, was he not?  And they became Episcopalians.

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  Do you know anything about the cause of that split?

Milo:  One Bishop.

Wayne:  Really:  I’ve not been able to pinpoint it.

Milo:  The way I understand it, they – – they asked them to pay a tenth of the tithing of everything.  And he – – he told them if they killed a beef, he wanted a certain part of that beef.

Wayne:  The Bishop told them?

Milo:  The Bishop.

Wayne:  Do you know who the Bishop was?

Milo:  I think Thatcher.  Does that sound right?

Wayne:  That sounds too late.  Gil Thatcher was Bishop,  we’re back in 1869 and ’70 when this Schism, this Split, so it wasn’t Gil Thatcher.

Milo:  Well, I don’t know for sure.

Wayne:  Shurtliff, maybe.

Milo:  I was back in that area.  But the Bishop at that time, the Hunts excommunicated from the church also.  Fred Hunt, Vic Hunt, all them, they went to Episcopal Church.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They build the Episcopal church down by Dean Baker’s there.  They use that for the Lions Club now.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  My mother used to be the organist for it for many years, they said.

Wayne:  Your mother Ross?

Milo:  Uh-huh.  But she was a Sharp, Ethel Sharp.

Wayne:  Of course, Sharp.

Milo:  She was a Sharp.  She played the organ for them when she was younger.  And she played the organ and kind of led the music and everything like that.

Wayne:  You know, Vic didn’t know for sure what had caused – – it was her father, Milo.

Milo:  Right, Milo.

Wayne:  And he – – she said, oh, Wayne, they liked their – – to play cards and they did a lot of things that church didn’t like and they just finally got tired of it.  But I think there was some – – something somewhere.

Milo:  It was over – – it was over the meat.  Dale Sharp – –

Wayne:  Uh – huh.

Milo:  – – Took care of Harold and Ed Sharp took care of me.  And Ed Sharp gave the church an awful lot.  He used give them the asparagus, he used to give them potatoes.  When they harvest or anything like that, he’d say, Bishop Heslop, Bishop Maw, whoever the Bishop was, come up and get sacks of stuff for some of the people.  But Ed Sharp and them, they always give to the Mormon church.

Now, when they built the Plain City church down here, they used to sell cakes and stuff, raffles.

Wayne:  The new one?

Milo:  The new one.

Wayne:  That’s gonna be torn down.

Milo:  Yeah, but I – – see, I helped build that.  I was a carpenter on it and Lee Carver was the supervisor on it.  And I was – – George Knight was the Bishop on it.  But when they auctioned these cakes and that off, Fred Hunt was probably one of the ones that bought the cakes probably more than anybody.  He probably paid four, five hundred dollars for a cake.

Wayne:  Yeah, yeah.

Milo:  So you see, it wasn’t religion against religion because they did  – –

Wayne:  Not by that time.

Milo:  – – They were together.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  But the earlier Sharps and some of them, And I think some of the Taylors pulled away from the church, too – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: – – And they went farther east.

Wayne:  The Thomases.

Milo: Thomases, they pushed out, too, on account.

Wayne:  But then they slowly worked back.

Milo:  Come back in.

Wayne:  Yeah.  As a little guy then living in a family that was not LDS – –

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  – – What was your religious upbringing, Milo?

Milo:  Never had much.  We did go to church.

Wayne:  To the LDS?

Milo:  No.

Wayne:  Or to the Episcopalian?

Milo:  Episcopalian – –

Wayne:  Really.

Milo:  When we went to Idaho, see, they didn’t have a Mormon church there.  See, the Presbyterian, whatever it is.  But I’ve got some of my mother’s song books and stuff, some of the old songs books.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They sing the same songs there as we do today in our church.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  It’s kind of nice.

Wayne:  I can remember as a kid, we would hear the bell ring, the bells – –

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  – – Ring, and we’d run down to the end of the lane – –

Milo:  To look at it.

Wayne:  – – And look at the people going to church.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  But that – – those were – – those were only maybe once a month or whenever the minister could come out – –

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  – – From Ogden.  And that someone told me, I think, oh, Leslie’s wife, Ruth – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  – – Poulson, that there was a lady lived out in Plain City, lived in that house where Leslie and Ruth lived, who was kind of she – – the representative of the Episcopalian Church, and she taught school.

Milo:  Uh-hu.

Wayne:  Did you go to that school?

Milo:  I didn’t.

Wayne:  Might not have been around when you – –

Milo:  If you reach down there to your right side down there’s a little tiny book right there.

Wayne:  This one?

Milo:  I got a lot of little books like that.  That book right there came from Huntsville.  That came from the Joseph Peterson’s library in Huntsville probably, huh?

Wayne:  Yeah, yeah.

Milo:  But I’ve got – – I pick up all these books and stuff like this when I’m out around traveling, and I buy them and get them.

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  Now, I’ve got a lot of books like this and I’ve got a lot of mother’s books and stuff where she’s wrote poetry and stuff.  My mother wrote a lot of poetry.  And Albert Sharp got almost all the poetry and everything of my mother’s.  So if you got on the Sharp – –

Wayne:  I did talk to Albert, but I didn’t see any of your mother’s poetry.

Milo:  She wrote a lot of poetry.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.  Well, that was probably true of Harold growing up with Dale Sharp – –

Milo:  Non Mormons.

Wayne:  But Harold went to Mutual with us.

Milo:  We went to Mutual.

Wayne:  You went to Mutual.

Milo:  I went to Mutual.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.  And Harold became a member of the LDS Church.

Milo:  Right.  So did I later.

Wayne:  Do you know – –

(End of Tape I-A.)

Wayne:  …Of a conversation with Milo Ross in Plain City.

Milo:  See, when we were – – When we went to school, we – – they’d always ask us to go to Sunday School or Mutual or whatever they had.

Wayne:  Primary.

Milo:  Primary.

Wayne:  Did you go across the square – –

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  – – to – –

Milo:  Yeah, we always – – he went anyway.

Wayne:  Sure.

Milo:  You know, because everybody kind of went together.  Then we went to Weber High.  I took Seminary.

Wayne:  You did?

Milo:  So – – well, Ruth took Seminary too.  Your sister, Ruth.

Wayne:  Oh sure.  So did I.

Milo:  So we took – – we took Seminary – –

Wayne:  Floyd Eyre.

Milo:  – – Together.  We took seminary from Mr.  Eyre, he was the principal, he was the teacher of it.  But, you know, I enjoyed – – I enjoyed listening to the stories.  Then I enjoyed taking the assignments, reading certain scriptures and things that they give us.

At that time, they did not press the Book of Mormon like they do now.

Wayne:  No, I think that’s true.

Milo:  See, And – – But I enjoyed it.

Wayne:  And Ernie didn’t object to this?

Milo:  Nobody ever – – nobody ever objected to anything.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  It’s like the Martinis and the Ropalatos in West Weber, I’ve done a lot of building for them.  The old grandpa and grandma and them guys, you’re not gonna convert them, but you see the young girls and the young boys are joining the Mormon church.

Wayne:  Uh-huh, yeah.

Milo:  See, the Martini girls marries the Dickemores that’s Mormons.  So see they – – but the old – –

Turn that off just a minute.

(Tape pauses.)

Milo:  …Truck – – truck and trailer all loaded.  And I seen aunt Vic get hit.  She came up to the stop sign from the west side and she stopped.  And then she went to go across the road, and when she went to go across the road, there was a car came from the north, I’d say hundred miles an hour, some young girl.  And the young girl was gonna pass her on the front as aunt Vic went ahead.  She throwed on her brakes a little tiny bit and she got caught Aunt Vic back, just back of the door, back of her car.  And that throwed Aunt Vic’s car around in a spin and the young girl come right on down to where I was at watching it.

Wayne:  Where were you?

Milo:  I come from the south.  And see I – – I seen it all.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Well, I knew it was Aunt Vic’s car, and this young girl, she come down to road, and she was unconscious laying over the steering wheel.  And she come down the road, so I pulled off the side the road so that she wouldn’t hit me, then she made kind of a slump over on the wheel and she pulled to the right side and got off the side the road and that’s where her car stopped.  So I opened the door there and a kid come up on a motorcycle and I said, run back down to the store on your bike, motorbike, and get some ice and let’s put on her and see if we can revive her.  So the kid, he went back and got ice and the called the cops and that.  I told them to call the cops.  And he come back with this bag of ice and I was putting ice and that on when policeman came, and she came to by that time.

Wayne:  Now, is this the young girl or Vic?

Milo:  The young girl.

Wayne:  Oh.  Where’s Vic all this time?

Milo:  She was up at the intersection about 50 – – oh, a hundred, hundred feet farther up the road.

Wayne:  In her car.

Milo:  In her car.  But she had spun around and she had went on the east side of the road facing south.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  It spun her completely around.

Wayne:  Didn’t tip over.

Milo:  Didn’t tip over.  But I seen it.

Wayne:  Yeah.  Her sister Mary was with her – –

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  – – That day, I talked – – and I did – – I asked Vic what was it like growing up in Plain City as a not only a non Mormon, but as the daughter of one of the ringleaders in the separation.  And she said, oh, made no difference.  She said, I never had any prejudice.  And Mary wouldn’t agree with her.  Mary said they looked down on us.

Did you ever have any sense of being looked down on because you were not a member of the church?

Milo:  I don’t think anybody ever looked on any of us.

Wayne:  Did you hear Vic or Dale or any – – or Ed – –

Milo:  Nobody ever – – nobody ever looked down on the church.

Wayne:  Did the church look down on them?

Milo:  I don’t think so.

Wayne:  Dad was a great friend of Ed’s.

Milo:  Every – – they were the closest buddies in the world.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And Joe Singleton.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  You dad and Ed Sharp and Joe Singleton was probably the first appraisers and supervisors of the home loan administration or something like that, weren’t they?

Wayne:  Dad as a – – worked for the assessor’s office.

Milo:  Okay.

Wayne:  In Weber County.

Milo:  That’s why they got Ed Sharp and Joe Singleton to work with him then.

Wayne:  Oh, I guess, yeah.

Milo:  But they went around and appraised property and one thin another, when these guys was trying to get home loans for farms and stuff.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Now, when they got the loans and stuff like that, they got them on a loan, real low interest rate.  And then when they settled my grandmother Sharp’s estate and one thing another, my estate money from my mother’s side, us kids being young, they decided instead of giving us kids the money, the one that was taking care of us would get the money and they could put – – apply it on their home loan – –

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  – – To keep their farms because a lot of people was losing their farms because a lot of people was losing their farms at that time.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Mr. England and some of them had lost their farms, you know, and the Maws and some of them, they’d – – that’s when the banks went broke.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And so when they settled the estate and one thing anther, my share went to Ed Sharp.  And Harold’s share of his when the split it up amongst us kids went to Dal Sharp.  And Fred Hunt took Paul’s share, see?

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And they applied that to their home loans.  To keep them from losing their farms.  Then after Ed Sharp, these guys die, Vic settled the Sharp Estate on their side, Ed Sharp’s Estate, and Ed Sharp’s girls and boys, they didn’t wanna pay me back the loan that they had taken from me as a youngster.  They said I wasn’t entitled to it because I hadn’t applied for it.  You know, they go back to the legal deal.

Wayne:  Yeah, yeah.

Milo:  So I says, well. I’m not gonna fight nobody.  But I said,tell you what I’d like you to do.  Why don’t you just pay me four or five percent interest on it all those years.

Wayne:  Just give you the interest.

Milo:  Yeah, but it was kind of a sore thumb.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I told them I don’t care.

Wayne:  It was a loan that you had made without knowing it.

Milo:  I – – I didn’t know anything about it.

Wayne:  Right.  That’s an odd way of handling that, you know, anyway – –

Milo:  Well – –

Wayne:  – – If it should have been put in a trust of some sort and the – – so you would be sure to get it.

Milo:  I didn’t really want it because I helped my uncle Ed save his farm that raised me, you understand?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  So I – – I said, oh, he was good enough to give me a home, I don’t care.

Wayne:  Just to – p for the tape and to jog my memory, who were Ed’s kids?  I remember liking – – there was Ruby.

Milo:  Louise, start with Louise.

Wayne:  Okay.  She the oldest.

Milo:  Louise.

Wayne:  Louise.

Milo:  She married Ralph Blanch.

Wayne:  Oh, okay.

Milo:  Florence, married Nielson.

Wayne:  From Taylor?

Milo:  West Weber, Taylor.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Leonard Nielson.

Wayne:  Did he used to pitch.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah, stiff-armed and – –

Milo:  Yeah.  And then there was Marjorie, she married Ferrel Clontz, big tall guy, went to Idaho.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Then there was Ethel Sharp.

Wayne:  I remember Ethel.

Milo:  She married Garth Hunter.  Then there was Ruby Sharp.  She married Norton Salberg.  There was Milo Sharp.  You remember Milo Sharp.

Wayne:  Mutt?

Milo:  Mutt Sharp.

Wayne:  Okay.

Milo:  That’s Milo.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And then there was Dean Sharp – – no, there was Josephine.

Wayne:  Josephine.

Milo:  Josephine Sharp, she married Darwin Costley, Paul Costley’s brother.

Wayne:  uh-huh.

Milo:  Then Dean Sharp, the baby.

Wayne:  Dean.

Milo:  Dean Sharp.  And Louise took care of Dean when Ed’s wife passed away.

Wayne:  Oh, who was Ed’s wife.

Milo:  She was Lilly East.

Wayne: Right, okay.  From Warren.

Milo: From Warren.

Wayne:  Yeah?

Milo: Yeah

Wayne: So there were two Milos in your house.

Milo:  Both Milo, Milo Ross and Milo Sharp.

Wayne: Right.

Milo: I was older.  Now, they had another son, Elmer Sharp, that died young with scarlet fever or something, around 12 or 13 years old, but I don’t remember him.  When we were kids at that – – living with Ed Sharp’s at that time, they had diphtheria, they had different things that they used to have this doctor that used to come out, Dr. Brown or somebody, and they’d always give us a shot and medicines and stuff, you know.

Wayne: Yeah.  So how – – you were – – you were five when you went to live with Ed?

Milo:  I was five when they brought me back down here to live with Ed Sharp, five.

Wayne: So those kids were your brothers and sisters in effect.

Milo: Not that close.

Wayne:  Weren’t you?

Milo: Un-unh.  They always – – I don’t know, they – – they felt like Ed Sharp showed me a little more prejudice or something.  When he got his truck, I got to jump in the truck and go with him once in a while to feed the cattle and stuff, do you understand that?

Wayne: Uh-huh.

Milo: Then had he his truck and he’d – – he’d get the neighbors they’d all get in the truck and go for rides and camp overnight up in the canyons.  And they used to go down to Warren, pick up the Easts and Caulders.  And they used to get in this truck and they’d go up to Pineview Dam, up to the wells – –

Wayne: Uh-huh.

Milo:  And they’d stay overnight.

Wayne: The old artesian wells.

Milo: Uh-huh.

Wayne: Yeah, before the dam.

Milo: And Jack Singleton, do you remember him?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: Now, Ed Sharp, he had a salt mine out at Promontory. And he used to – – he used to run that through the winter and harvest salt.  And I was with Ed Sharp – – you got a couple minutes:  I was with Ed Sharp once when we was coming back with a load of salt from Promontory up on the hill, and there was a place there we always stop and get a drink.  And there was a note there.  And Uncle Ed read it and this Charlie Carter, and old hermit out there, that used to prospect, mine, and one thing another, decided to end his life so he jumped down in the well and killed himself.  So Ed Sharp and I went down the railroad to Promontory, and Uncle Ed had them – – done something on teletype or wherever you call it, code, and they sent a message back to Brigham City to Sheriff Hyde, and he came out and told us to stay there until he came back out.  But they – – they took ropes and everything and lowered lanterns down in this here well.  When they’d get down so far where uncle Ed was down there trying to tie the rope around Charlie Carter, these lamps would go out. No oxygen, I guess – –

Wayne: yeah.

Milo: So – –

Wayne: But body was there, huh?

Milo: It was down in there.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: But Uncle Ed Sharp, after he went down in there and tried it a few times, the lights would keep going out, they said, well, we – – there’s no use putting down anymore because they’re gonna go out all the time.  But Charlie Carter, he came out there, the Sheriff, and he had somebody with him. But Ed Sharp, he went down – –

Wayne: Not Charlie Carter, he’s the body.  Hyde.

Milo: Hyde.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo: But he went down, Ed Sharp went down in the bottom to get Charlie out, Tie a rope on him, get him our if he could.  And we let the ropes down and then when Ed Sharp pulled on the rope or this or that, they could holler down and talk to him.  It was a deep well.  And they tied these ropes together three or four times, lowered him down in there and – – and finally they signaled, and they said, help us pull.  So, I was a little tot, maybe 14, 15. I really don’t remember, but I remember helping pull on this here rope, and they worked a long time to get him up out of the well.  Then when we get him right just up here to the top of the well to get him up of there, we couldn’t get him out over the well.  And somebody jumped up on that wooden platform there and took a hold of him and helped pull him out and over.  And Ed Sharp was underneath him, helped pushed him up out, dead Carter.  They pushed him out on the ground and he just kind of flopped out there on the ground where we were at.  And these – – Hyde and his friend took a hold of Ed Sharp and helped him out of the well, they untied the ropes from around his body because they – – If anything went wrong, we could pull him back up.  And soon as he got out on the ground, he went into a cold shock because he’d been down in that cold water.  And when he – – he started to shake and tremble and just – – he couldn’t control the nerves in his body.  And they made Ed Sharp lay down on the ground and they took his clothes off and they took blankets and gunny sacks and stuff and rubbed him and rubbed him and rubbed him and tried to circulate his blood or something.  I don’t know I’d – – hardly what was the matter.  I remember I was crying.  But remember I was so scared and – – And when he got out, they laid him down like that, I got down and I give him a big love, you know, and I told him, I said, I’m sure glad you’re out of there, you know, I – I was scared and I – –

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  – – I’m sure glad – –

Wayne: How old were you?

Milo:  I don’t know.  I must have been about 12, 14, I don’t remember.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But I was just thinking about it, and Mr. Hyde and that guy, they rubbed him and rubbed him and rubbed him.  And they got him so he wasn’t trembling so much.  And then they – – they changed clothes around from one to another so he could have some dry clothes on.  But little things like that in life, you never forget it.

Wayne:  No. Lord.

Milo:  But see, nobody knows about Ed Sharp going down in the well and sav – –

Wayne:  No.

Milo:  – – Saving a dead man’s life and give him a burial.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Now he wasn’t a Mormon.

Wayne: Well, he was dead.

Milo:  He was dead.

Wayne:  Didn’t safe his life.  Saved the body.

Milo:  Saved the body, but he give him – – he give him life, he give him burial.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  But you see now, he wasn’t Mormon.

Wayne:  No.

Milo:  But see, he went down in there – –

Wayne:  What did Ed – – what did they do with the body.

Milo:  Sheriff Hyde, they – – Sheriff Hyde had that – – looked kind of like a square – – like an old square Hudson or something, Graham or something, I don’t remember.  An old square car.  And we had to help them put him on – – put his Charlie Carter on the back seat.  And they rolled him up in canvases, put him on the back seat and took him to Brigham.

Not long ago there was a piece in the paper about Mr. Hyde, they – – somebody wanted to get a little history about Sheriff Hyde, and I was just thinking, well, maybe I should let them people know that – –

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  – – I was – –

Wayne:  He was Sheriff up there for a long time.

Milo:  And then his boy took over after that, they tell me.

Wayne:  Oh, did he?

Milo:  They tell me.

Wayne:  Maybe that’s why – –  wasn’t it Warren Hyde or – –

Milo:  Warren, something like that.

Wayne:  Yeah. I didn’t know about Ed’s salt operation.

Milo:  That was one of the biggest in the state.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Yeah. Then they opened that one up down towards Wendover.  And see, they – –

Wayne:  Ed did?

Milo:  No. Morton Salt or somebody – –

Wayne:  Oh, yeah, yeah.

Milo:  – – opened up a big one down there.  But we – – in the winter, they used to load boxcars, salt out – – out at promontory.

Wayne:  Now, did Ed own this operation.

Milo:  Ed Sharp and Ray Sharp.  They took – –

Wayne:  Who’s Ray.

Milo:  A brother.  Ed Sharp’s brother, Ray Sharp.

Wayne:  He never lived in Plain City?

Milo:  They lived in Clinton, Sunset.  But they run that salt pond and they – – but they had this salt pond out there and they – – they’d harvest the salt.  They took the horses out there to use the horses to plow the salt loose so they could harvest it.  It used to come in layers after water would evaporate.  They take the horses out there, but the horses hoofs would get coated up with salt so bad the horses got so sore they had to bring the horses back out.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So they rigged up the trucks and tractors and made little tractors and ski-doos to maybe haul maybe a half a ton out at a time – –

Wayne:  uh – huh.

Milo:  – – without using horses.

Wayne:  Did they – – they just sold it in gross weight or did they bag it?

Milo:  We bagged a lot of it.

Wayne:  Did you?

Milo:  100-pound bags.

Wayne:  And you worked out there.

Milo:  Oh, I had to work out there.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  They had a pond – –

Wayne:  Did all the other kids?

Milo:  The girls never did.  Let’s see, Eddie Sharp, Milo’s brother, Eddie Sharp, walked from Promontory across the cutoff to West Weber out here to back to Plain City.  He got homesick.  He wouldn’t stay out there.

Wayne:  He went over on the Lucin cutoff?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  How far is that”

Milo:  That would be about 75 miles – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: – – Going down to Brigham, down around there.  But he cut across the railroad track this way.  What is it, about 12 miles?  Maybe four – – oh, it’d be 12 miles to Little Mountain – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – Then the cutoff’s be about ten miles.

Wayne:  Little Eddie, huh?

Milo:  After that – – that’s be Ed Sharp’s young boy.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  But he got homesick and we were working in the salt and Ed Sharp and them guys, see, they was trucking salt over to Brigham and over to Corrine, they was stockpiling it.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  See, they’d truck pile it in, then they’d go get rations and stuff and come back.

Wayne:  Did you stay out – –

Milo:  We stated out there.

Wayne:  – – overnight:

Milo:  They had a big cave back in there.  Charlie Carter and them guys had dug their caves.  And the Indians had had caves back in that area, Indian caves and stuff back in there, and lived back in these caves for a long time at Promontory.  Then they had big tents and stuff that they had out in there.  They had the kitchens and stuff out there for the laborers.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  In the wintertime, they had probably ten, 15 guys – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  That’s come out with their trucks.  They all – – they all bought small trucks and – – they weren’t big trucks, you know, they – – young kids get these trucks and they’d come out there and try to make a dollar.

Wayne:  And he loaded them all with this scoop shovel.

Milo:  Scooped, everything was scooped.

Wayne:  uh-huh.

Milo:  No tractor.

Wayne:  No.

Milo:  It was all shovel.  We done a lot of work at nighttime.  Nighttime, lot of wok at nighttime.

Wayne:  Why?  Why nighttime?

Milo:  Cool.

Wayne:  Oh, yeah.  Did that go on the year-round?

Milo:  Just in the winter.

Wayne:  Just in the winter.

Milo:  Uh-huh.  Through the winter months.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  The summertime, see, the – – you could fill your ponds up and then keep – keep your ponds full through the summer.

Wayne:  That’s when they make the salt?

Milo:  That’s when the evaporation (unintelligible) to salt there.

Wayne:  So the winter’s the harvest.

Milo:  The harvest.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But in Promontory, when they put that track across to Promontory, they went across and left a part of the lake with salt and everything in it, deep salt, and Ed Sharp and them harvested a lot of that slat right in there.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  And one time we was there and it was – – they had this pond of salt and they piled it up to dry, make it white.  And the pelicans used to come around.  They used to feed them.  And they put the dynamite in to blast this salt, and uncle Ed Sharp says, oh, he says, there’s the pelicans.  Shoo them away, shoo them away.  And they all flew away but one.  And he says oh, John, he says, I gotta get you out of there.  He ways, gonna blow you up.  So Ed Sharp he run back to where the dynamite was and he grabbed this pelican.  And he grabbed the pelican and he run, I don’t know how far, not very far when this blast went off, the salt blowing it up.  But the – – he fell, fell down on the salt and the bird went away.  The birds couldn’t fly because they had salt on their wings.  So they’d take these pelicans up and they’d wash them so the pelicans could fly again.  But he saved that pelican’s life. But he could have got killed himself.

Wayne:  Yeah, I’ll say.

Milo:  But I – I’ve often thought about Ed Sharp doing things like that.  But he raised me to be a good – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – Boy.

Wayne:  Dad used to love to talk to Ed.  We’d sometimes leave here, Grandpa’s place, headed for Warren.  But we’d sometimes end up at a – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  – – Ed’s and I would set there on the hay rack waiting for those two people to stop talking.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  They really, genuinely liked each other, I think.

Milo:  But see, Ed Sharp, he – – he rented ground off of Bill Freestone down in Warren.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Where Milton Brown lives, there used to be a house out in the back.

Wayne:  Oh, okay.

Milo:  And Bill Freestone lived out in the back of there and Ed – –

Wayne:  I remember that.

Milo: – – Ed Sharp – – see, I was a kid, we used to go down there and he planted – –

Wayne:  Just across the creek from uncle Earl – –

Milo:  – – Potatoes and stuff.

Wayne:  – – Hadley’s.

Milo:  Yeah, down by uncle – – now, where your uncle Earl Hadley and his wife lives, me and Howard Hunt seen that twister that come through the country and tore down the creamery.  The old pea vinery.

Wayne:  Down on the salt flat or on the – – in the pasture.

Milo:  Yeah. Me and Howard Hunt seen that cyclone pick that building up.  We was in Howard’s dad’s car.  We seen that twister come through the country.  And we was kind of watching it, riding through the dirt roads, and we rode over here by the dump road going down to Hadley’s, and that picked that building right up and it twisted it around tight up in the are and twisted it around and then it just set it down and then it crumbled.

Wayne:  I remember that.

Milo:  And it went right – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And it went right down, this twister went down across the road and then it come back towards your uncle Earl Hadley’s and it come – – missed his house.  But it went – – his barn was kind of front and north of the house, and it went right through there and it picked up part of that barn on the west side, it picked that sloping part up.  Mr. Hadley and his wife had just come in to have dinner, and they put the horses in there with the harness, hames and that all on – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – And that picked that shed up and set it back down on them horses.  And me and Howard run in there to help Mr. Hadley, we pried that up.  Mr. Hadley reached in and talking to them horses and his wife, Liz, I think is her name – –

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  – – But each one of them talked to them horses so they didn’t jump around.  And me and Howard helped pry that roof up, and he took them horses right our of there.  And them horses – – I often thought about that.  If nobody was around, see, the horses would have probably died.

Wayne:  Yeah.  And you were down there working on Ed – –

Milo:  No – –

Wayne:  (Unintelligible)

Milo:  Me and Howard was in the car.  He’d borrowed his dad’s car.  We was – – we had the water our there by uncle Ed Sharp’s, and Howard said, come and ride down to the store with me.  So we go down to buy the ham – – the baloney to make a sandwich.

Wayne:  Just down to Olsen’s or Maw’s?

Milo:  Maw’s Store.

Wayne: uh-hu.

Milo: And we seen that twister coming.

Wayne:  Oh, you – – oh.

Milo:  You could hear it.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  You could hear it.  And we was startled.  We was dumb.  We wanted to drive in it.

Wayne:  Yeah, you bet.

Milo:  If we’d a drove in it, see, it’d a probably picked us up.

Wayne:  Yeah.  That’s how you got such a good view of it though.  You were chasing – – out there chasing it.

Milo:  Well, we was watching it.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But we got to see the creamery – – the vinery go down.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And we got to see the barn pick up, the lean-to on the west side and then we seen it set – –

Wayne:  That’s right.

Milo:  We could see the horses.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And then it set that right back down.  And them horses, I guess the rafters and that probably wedged just so that it didn’t kill them, you know.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Then you see, right after – – right after that, see, we had to go into the war.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  World War Two.

Wayne:  I wanna cut back.  Taking much more time – – of your time that I meant to.  But can you tell me briefly what you know about how Howard got killed in the war?

Milo:  Howard – – Howard Hunt, they tell me, got killed by our own ammunition.

Wayne:  They were in Italy?

Milo:  In Italy.

Wayne:  And he was with the Gibson kid and Arnold Rose?

Milo:  Also Folkman.  I think Folkman was in the – –

Wayne:  Oh, I thought he was in Navy.

Milo:  I don’t know.

Wayne:  Leon?

Milo:  They were all close together at that time.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Whether they was on the move or what, I don’t know.  But Archie Hunt could tell you.

Wayne:  Probably – – Archie’s Vic’s son.

Milo:  Yeah, grandson.

Wayne:  Grandson.

Milo:  But he could tell you.

Wayne:  Gee, I maybe oughta go see him.  Who did he marry?

Milo:  He’s remarried Ez Hadley’s wife.  Now, you know Harold Hunt?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Harold Hunt might be able to tell you about Howard.

Wayne:  Yeah, I’m not gonna be able to see Howard.  I’m going home tomorrow.

Milo:  Are you?  I can run you down to Archie Hunt’s.  But see I went into the war.  Howard went into the war.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Out of all of us guys from Plain City that went in on the first draft, they sent us down to Fort Douglas, Utah.

Wayne:  When did you go in?

Milo and Gladys Ross, 30 May 1942

Milo: In what was it, ’41?  Took us all in town the first draft.

Wayne:  Howard went with you?

Milo:  No.  No, they come in later.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  But the first draft, they sent us all out, we went out of the Bamberger tracks.

Wayne:  Who was with you, remember?

Milo:  Ellis Lund.

Wayne:  Yeah.

(l-r): Kenneth Barrow, Ellis or Keith Lund, Milo Ross, Jim Jardine, Unknown, Victor Wayment, Earl Collins 16 Oct 1942

Milo:  Yeah, Ellis Lund and – – now I’ve lost it.  But we all went down to Fort Douglas.  We got down to Fort Douglas.  They examined us, shoot us, and everything else like that.  Put us in barracks.  And they called my name our after they examined and tested us on everything, they called my name out to come up the office.  I go up to the office.  I was supposed to go get my duffel bag, be ready to move out so – – so many minutes.  I run back to the barracks, got my bags and everything, and come back up where I was at.  They put me in a jeep with four, five other guys.  They took us right down to the railroad station in Salt Lake.  They shipped us out to Fort Lewis, Washington, the same day, night we got down to Fort Douglas, they shipped us to Fort Lewis, Washington.  And I was the only one out of the whole group that was sent out.  And the rest of them guys all stayed here a week or two down here to Fort Douglas, Utah and they sent me up to Fort Lewis.

Wayne:  You were just at Douglas long enough to get a – –

Milo:  Examination.

Wayne:  – – Uniform and – –

Milo:  Yeah, they hurried me right through.

Wayne:  Why?

Milo:  I don’t know whether they had a call they wanted so many to go on this troop, Illinois outfit, National Guard outfit coming through, I don’t know.

Wayne:   What, so you did basic training at Fort Lewis?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  That’s where Norm and Paul – –

Milo:  They came there, yeah.

Wayne:  uh-huh.  For the 41st division.

Milo:  Yeah.  But they come up a little later.

Wayne:  If we’re on your war career, we might as well stay with it, then we can cut back.  What else did you do in the war besides go in early and – –

Milo:  Well – –

Wayne:  – – Get hijacked in Salt Lake?

Milo:  Well, here’s the deal.  What I was gonna tell you about.  They asked us these questions about putting these pins together.  If you open a window, how many panes would you have if you opened – – as a window over there, if you open that there window over there halfway, how many panes would you have?  You understand it?  Like a sliding window?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  If you opened that there window, how many panes would you have if you opened it halfway?  How would the four – – would you have it if you opened it halfway?  You understand it?

Wayne:  Has that army general intelligence (unintelligible)

Milo:  Intelligence stuff.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I didn’t care.  I was mad.  You understand it?  I – – I really didn’t care anything about that.  And they – – they says, do you like to shoot a gun?  And I says I’m – – I’m an expert rifleman.  And maybe that there’s why they throwed me out, you know?  They didn’t like me down there.

Wayne:  This is at Fort Douglas?

Milo:  Fort Douglas.  And they put me on a train and I went from here right on the – – tight up to Fort Douglas, Utah, and done all my basic training there.

Wayne:  Fort Lewis, Washington.

Milo:  Fort Lewis, Washington.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  And I spent my time there, and then after we done our time at Fort Lewis, we went down to Needles, California, Barstow, and opened up a big army training camp down there.  We dug great big latrines and trenches and they brought wooden boxes in for toilets and stuff like that.

Wayne:  What kind of outfit were you in?

Milo:  That was with the 33rd division.

Wayne:  In an infantry – –

Milo:  National Guard.  Illinois National Guard.

Wayne:  Oh, okay.

Milo:  33rd, Golden Cross.

Wayne:  Okay.  Is that you?

Milo:  Yeah.  I’m a highly-decorated soldier.

Wayne:  Yeah, you are.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Well, tell – – let’s stay with that.

Milo:  But.

Wayne:  tell me about your war.

Milo:  We was – –

Gladys:  Before he leaves, I’d like you to show him the plaques that you made (unintelligible).

Milo:  Okay.

Gladys:  (Unintelligible)

Milo:  Okay.  He can hear you.  At Fort Douglas, Utah, they had an air base there also.  They had the B-51’s and P-38’s and they were training the pilots and everybody.  And we were training there.  And they put me in the infantry.  And I done a lot of – – lot of latrine duty.  We was in barracks.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Fort Douglas – – Fort Lewis.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And didn’t matter what I done, the company commander, whoever it was, he liked me.  If we go out on maneuvers, rifle shooting, anything like that, they liked me because I could hit the targets.  They could pull a target up and I could shoot it.

Wayne:  Like Plain City kids, you’d grown up – –

Milo:  I done it.

Wayne:  Sure.

Milo:  If we run infiltration course or anything, get down on your guts and crawl.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Go under the barbed wire and this and that – –

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  – – I done it.  And they liked me.   And they – – they come along with the 60- millimeter mortar.  Told me all about that, an one thing another.  And they said, do you know how far that is down to that tree down there?  And I says, yeah, I say, it’s probably about 150 yards.  And didn’t matter what they done, they’d fire this mortar, 150 yards, they’d be on their target.  You know, I wasn’t doing it.  But they was asking me these things.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: And they’d say, how far away is that tree over there.  I’d say, well, it’s close to a thousand yards.  But I was good on – –

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  – – Distance.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  And it didn’t matter what I done.  And as soon I was there, I was the soldier of the month the first month.

Wayne:  Wow.

Milo:  I got a pass out of it, you know, and then they made me a private first class and then a corporal and then a buck sergeant, you know.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Then when I got down to Barstow, they made me a Tech Sergeant.  Give me a weapons platoon.  And that was your 30 machine guns and your 60-millimeter mortars, see?  But they give me a platoon down there.  And then when they give me the platoon, they put us on guard duty one night.  And they took me way out in the desert and left me.  Now, you’re gonna stay here until certain hours and then you’ll be relieved.  Well, I was gone through the night.  The next morning at about noon, here they come to get me.  And they said, well, why didn’t you walk in?  I said, walk in?  Why walk in?  I was told to stay here.  Was you scared?  I had an order.  I done it.  I get back to camp, they give me a five-day pass for being a soldier of the month down there.  You see?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So they give me a platoon sergeant.  They made me a two-striper.  One stripe under at that time.

Wayne:  Oh, a staff – –

Milo:  Yeah, a staff sergeant.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo: Then.  And then they made us a two star later on.  Two stripe after.

Wayne:  And that’s the tech.

Milo:  Tech, yeah. After that.  But they was changing at that time.  But they give me a five-day pass.  And I come back to Utah.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: They give me a five-day pass, but I could only have three because we were shipping out.  So I hurried home see my wife, Gladys.  She’d come back from Washington so she could be with me just that – – say hello.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo: And I come home to see my wife and I had to go right back the next morning so I’d be able to ship out.

Wayne:  You went back to Barstow?

Milo:  Barstow.

Wayne:  Your outfit was – –

Milo:  Barstow.

Wayne:  – – Still there.

Milo:  We was ready to ship out.  But I’d received this five-day pass that had – – soldier of the month award.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So that’s why I got to come home and to go back.  So then they – –

Wayne:  When had you got married?

Milo: Well, we got married in ’41.  See, then – –

Wayne:  Just before you went in?

Milo:  Just before we went in.  And see, I never seen my boy, Milo, he was born while I was overseas.  I didn’t see Milo until he was three years old.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.  Who did you marry?

Milo:  Gladys Donaldson.

Wayne:  From Ogden?

Milo:  Ogden, yeah.  Dave Donaldson’s daughter.  Dave Donaldson.  They lived on – well, Norm, he used to go up there.  They used to pick Gladys up.  And Frank Hadley, they used to go pick Gladys and their sisters all up.  They used to go up there.  But they – – they shipped us out of Barstow and they was gonna send us – – they was gonna send us in to Alaska.  They give us all this here heavy equipment and everything, go to Alaska. Then when we get on the ships, the first thing the do is give us new clothing and everything, and we’re going to the southwest pacific.  So we went into the Hawaiian Islands.  So that’s where – – where we started out at, Hawaiian Islands.

Wayne: Right.

Milo:  Then we went from Hawaiian Islands down through – – down Past Kanton Island, Christmas Island, Fiji Islands.  We was gonna go into Australia, then they decided instead of going into Australia, they had kept the Japs from going into Australia, so they sent us back up into the Coral Sea, back up into New Guinea.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: And so we went up into Finch and Lae and Hollandia.  And while we were in there, we unloaded ships and stuff for the ship guys and everything like that.  And then while we were in there, I got the soldier of the month award because I got the guys to help dig trenches to get water down out of the – – the fields so that it wasn’t swampy all the way through.  And we dug these trenches and they gave me soldiers of the month down there.

We went down to the ocean front in these trucks and we brought coral rock and gravel stuff and made us sidewalks and stuff in our camps.  And then the next thing you know, the whole outfits’s done it.  And then we put poles and that up and so we didn’t have to have tents, we put a canvas over the top, more like a roof, so everybody done that.

Wayne:  And this was in New Guinea.

Milo:  In New Guinea.  But you see, we went down to Finch Haven, down to Lae, then over to Hollandia, see, and helped unload ships.  Then over – – when we was unloading ships, we – – I was in charge of unloading the ships.  We unloaded at nighttime so the Navy could sleep and then get their rest, we worked through the nights for them.  And we was unloading different things, and one of the guys down below, one of the buck sergeants, I heard him say, hey, this casket here, I put old Sergeant Ross’s name on it, he says make sure this son of a bitch gets it.  You see, you could hear them talking.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I knew who it was.  So when we got through off the ship, we have about 50 guys I was in charge of, and another shift come on to relieve us, we go on for four hours, so when we go to load up, I says, say, Sergeant so and so, you gotta come over here a minute, I got a detail for you.  Yes, Sergeant Ross.  I said, bring three buddies with you.  So he brought three buddies over with him.  And I says, I got a detail for you.  I says, you ride back down to camp with us.  I says, it’s only a mile and a half.  But I says, I heard you guys talking down – – down in the ship down there, and I says, I got this casket with my name on it and I wanna be sure and keep it.  I want you to carry this back to my tent.  Maybe I’ll sleep in it a night or two.  And he says, oh, Sergeant Ross, I didn’t mean that.  You know, but he was mad, you know, he’s irritated to think that the Sergeant would have to go down there and work.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But little things like this happens.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But we unloaded tires, 50-gallon drums of oil, gas, out in trucks and they took it out into the bamboos, you know, out in the – – out in the mud swamps.

Wayne:  What port were you at?

Milo:  Finch Haven.

Wayne:  Finschhafen.  Now Port Moresby’s on the other side.

Milo:  That’s on the upper – – back down farther.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But when you go up into Coral Sea, you go up kind of towards Borneo, the Big Island.  Now, Borneo from where we were at, Finschhafen, you could see Borneo Volcano eruption 24 hours a day.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Borneo.  And then after we – – after we stayed in there, they said there was no Japs in there.  But me and Palke, my friend, army buddy, we was down to the ocean and this native guy come and asked us if we’d shoot two Japs.  That these two Japs had taken these native girls prisoners.  And we thought he was just kidding we says, yeah we will.  So we go with this native.  They call them fuzzy tops, New Guinea.  We go back, back over here where he’s at and he’s pointing to us.  He says, right here, right here.  See, this native.  And I says, well, thems Japanese.  They’re not supposed to be any Japs here.  And he says, two of them.  I says, Palke, you take the left one, I’ll take the right one.  So we shot them.  You understand me?

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: And then we got – – we got a Japanese flag apiece.  My buddy Palke and my – – myself – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And Then – –

Wayne:  They had captured two native girls?

Milo:  Yeah.  They were shacking up with the native girls, these Japs.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And this here native fuzzy top, he didn’t want these Japanese there.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So he asked us to shoot them.

Wayne:  You just sneaked up on them in their – –

Milo:  Well, we – – we thought he was kidding us.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So I says to Palke, I says, you take the left one, I’ll take the right one.  And we never did tell nobody.  You understand me?  We didn’t dare.  We was scared.  We was chicken.  We was afraid we’d get in prison.  You understand it?

Wayne:  uh-huh.

Milo:  But see – –

Wayne:  You probably broke an article of war.

Milo:  We broke an article of war – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – Because we didn’t talk to the commander in the first place.

Wayne:  Right.  And it was not a combat situation.

Milo:  We were in combat.

Wayne: Were you?

Milo:  We were loaded with ammunition at all times ready to fire you see, the Japs come across with their airplanes and strafe us and bomb us and they said – – they said the planes and that wasn’t in there, but – –

Wayne:  It’s a combat zone.

Milo:  It’s a combat zone.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo: But we – –  wherever we went, we had to have a gun and two of us had to be together.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  You understand?  At all times.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  If we went down to the ships to unload everything like that, we ha a patrol, guard duty.  You had five men, guard duty besides you’re unloading guys stuff like that.  But see, after we left Finschhafen, Lae, we went to Dutch East Indies, Morotai, and that used to be a Leper Colony, British Colony.  Used it be a Leper Colony.  And we went to Morotai, Dutch East Indies, and we had big airstrip there we had to guard.

Wayne:  All this time you were in the 33rd – –

Milo:  33rd Division.

Wayne:  – – Division National Guard from Illinois.

Milo:  Illinois.  130th Infantry. But everything that I’ve done, I got the solder of the month award.  I even got a soldier of the month award for fixing up the drain ditches and fixing the gravel sidewalks and stuff like that.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And then the Latrines and stuff, we fixed them back farther away.  Then I took the drums and we took – – cut the drums in half and put them by our tents to save the water that came off the tents.

Wayne:  Oh, the oil drums.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: We saved all these drums and stuff.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And we got our own water to wash our clothes and stuff with.  And I got a soldier of the month award for that, and I had a chance to go to Australia for five-day pass, but what can you do?  You don’t have no money.  You – – no way to go.  I could have went down with the Australian boy to fly down and back – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But, you know, I didn’t go.

Wayne:  You weren’t getting paid?

Milo:  Army?

Wayne: Uh-huh.

Milo:  Oh, yeah, they paid.

Wayne:  Fifty-two – – well, you were – – you were a staff sergeant.

Milo:  But we send money home.  We was taking out insurance and sending most of it home.  We was maybe getting $20 a month, you know, not much.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  But we went from – – from New Guinea we went up into Dutch East Indies, Morotai, and we guarded the airstrip.  And the Australian boys, when the would take off the with their airplanes, they would always do a barrel roll.  They’d roll their plane over and – – plane over and – – and we had this guard duty to guard this airstrip.  And then when the Japs started to giving the airstrip a bad time, we had to make a drive back up through the airstrip and up through the country in towards – – I don’t remember the town now.  Morotai.  But we made a drive back up through there to locate the Japanese and get them our of there.  And they killed quite a few of the Japanese did, the leading forces.  We always brought up the rear, the weapons platoon.  But we always had to be on the guard duty.

And then when we got back in farther, they had more Japanese farther back up into Morotai in Village, so they put us in ducks and took is out in the water in the lake, in the ocean, and put us in P.T. Boats.  And there was I think about 12 of us.  We had a lieutenant Early that went with us.  And I volunteered to go as a weapon platoon tech Sergeant.  They put us in there p.t. boats and they too us up to this city – –

Wayne:  There were 12 of you in the – –

Milo:  About 12 of us.  About 12 of us, if I remember right that volunteered to go up.

Wayne:  In one p.t. boat?

Milo:  No.  They had the two p.t. boats.

Wayne:  Two.

Milo: They brought the two p.t. boat in.

(Tape I-B ends.  Tape II-A Begins.)

Wayne:  . . . two side one of a conversation with Milo Ross at his home in Plain City.

Milo: Number three.

Wayne:  What?

Milo:  One, two, three.

Wayne:  One, two – – third side.

Milo: third side.

Wayne: Tape two.

Milo: Yeah.  But they took us up in these p.t. boats out of the ducks, then we get out, starting out towards to where we was supposed to go, up to the city, this kid, he pushes a handle down on that p.t. boat and that thing just sat back on its tail, you know, and we – – we though it was gonna tip over backwards.  You know I mean?

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Because we’d never been in a p.t. boat.  And he rammed us right up in on the beach.  And we got up in there and we – – we make a beach landing, war-type landing for the Japs, we go in there Bayonets and rifle ready to go, and nobody was there.  We run through the – – around the buildings.  Run down through the streets like we was trained to do.  Run our – – right on down along the side the beach, clear down where the boats and everything was at.  And when we got down where the – – they’d tied their boats and all that all up, there was a great big open well, and it was lined with rock and everything, beautiful, beautiful picture.  If you ever seen anything in the – – a picture of a open well water, and that’s where they got their drinking water out of, out of buckets and ropes.  And then no Japs, no people around at all.  So one the follow – –

Wayne:  This is – – this is a native village then.

Milo:  Native village on Morotai.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: Dutch East Indies.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: They have Gilden money, Gilden and different type.  But one of the fellows hollered and says, come quick.  O the five or six of us that was looking at this water and well and stuff broke and run to where he was at with our rifles, we figured he had some Japs pinned down.  But he got to the bank.  So we go over to the bank and they had a great big standing vault.  And he says, look it here, all the money in the world.  So without thinking, we took our ammunition, we put armor-piercing ammunition in our clips.  And we cut a hole in this vault to take the money out.  You understand me?

Wayne:  Yeah.  Was it Japanese money?

Milo:  It was New Guinea – – not New Guinea, but – –

Wayne:  Dutch?

Milo: Dutch East Indies.

Wayne:  Paper money.

Milo:  Paper money.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So we – – we loaded this all up in our coats and, you know, your fatigues and stuff like that, we loaded ourselves all up.  And the lieutenant Early, he says, well, I gotta have some, too.  See, he’s – – he’s in charge.  And I’m the platoon sergeant.  We even put it in our pants down to our leggings, we had these leggings on.  So we – – we robbed the bank.  But we did accomplish our mission, no Japs, nobody around.  We go back and get into the p.t. boats, go back down, he kicks us off into these ducks.  And then the ducks take us back and puts us on the beach down there on Morotai.  And as soon as we get down there, we’re under arrest.  They strip us off completely.  Nude.  We’re ready to be court martialed.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And here’s Lieutenant Early stripped off just like we are.  Somebody had went down the ground from the bank, down to where we come back in at.  It probably wasn’t very far.  They came back down and told them that we’d robbed the bank.  So when Lieutenant told them what it was, we give them the money and everything like that, they was all satisfied and contented.  Lieutenant Early kind of shut it up some way.  I don’t know how they done it.  But we was – – were under army arrest.  Then they tell us, go ahead and get dressed back up in uniform.  No charges will be pressed.  You’ve returned the money.  So they release us.

And about that time, another ship, barge, came in, and it was artillery guys coming in to observe for artillery.  Sergeant Ross, go with them.  Set up.  Yes, sir.  I tell the guys, must have been about six of them, I said, just head straight out through here, and I said we’ll go out about 40, 50 yards and stop.  Then I says, we’ll call in one shell and find out how close you are with us.  So they called in the one shell.

Wayne: What are they gonna fire on if there were no Japanese?

Milo: Well, we have to have artillery wherever we go.  For our own protection.  They know there’s Japs in Morotai.

Wayne: But you didn’t find any.

Milo: We didn’t find them, but we wanted artillery.

Wayne: You wanted (unintelligible).

Milo: Around us.

Wayne: Okay.

Milo: And they have a shell that they throw in there that’s a smoked shell.

Wayne: Right, you’re just spotting target.

Milo: Just spot – – spot target.

Wayne: Yeah, okay.

Milo: And they – – the one – – the observation man says, I’m gonna run over here to the side and he says, I’ll – – I’ll be right back.  I gotta go to the bathroom a minute.  So he left us and he just started to walking maybe 20, 25 feet, and boom.  We thought the artillery shell had come in and got us.  But where – – we looked back to see where it was at, and there was booby trap that this observer had booby trapped, and it had jumped up out of the ground and it had exploded just about his waist height.  And it looked like it blew him all to hell.  We ran over there to see if we could help him, and his hands and his legs – – the one leg was almost completely off, you know, and his hands was just strung out, you know, you could see the bones and all that in there.  And he – – he was conscious, and he says, oh, what did I do wrong?  And then he passed out.  And then we hollered for the medics and the medics come up, and they decided they’d have to finish amputating his leg because the – – these cords and everything was bothering, hindering, and everything, so they bandaged him all up and tourniqueted him up and fixed him all up.  And while we were there, I says, listen, you better get that shell in here on us pretty soon now because, I says, the Japs will know we’re here.  So the observation guy from the artillery guy, he called in for this shell and they brought one in and it was close enough to us to where we are at, we knew where it was at, and I says, don’t bring it in any closer, that’s fine.

But all the time we’re talking on the radio back to the company commander, our company commander Kelly, and told him what had happened.  With probably booby traps all the way around, watch your area back there, too, because there is booby traps.  So the artillery guys, they back out, we go back down to where the company’s dug in, and they call in for two or three shells, artillery shells.  They fired way back from the distance off another island back to you, and you can hear them old guns go boom, boom.  Then pretty soon you can hear them coming in, shoo, shoo, shoo.  And then they boom, you know.  And I flag them off and say, that’s enough, that’s – – that’s right where we need it so we know we got some protection and the Japs’ll know we got some protection.  And I told the company commander on the radio, I says, we’re zeroed in, sir, right about where we need to be.  Good go, sergeant Ross, he says, have the men dig in for the night.

So we stay in this here area for two or three days, then we go back down to Morotai, the airport.  And we’re still down there until after Christmas.  Christmans eve, they used to have a wash machine Charlie bomber come across, Jap bomber, he’d drop bombs on Morotai.  And then after he got so far across and about so high up, they’d turn these search lights on him.  They had these great big search lights.  They’d turn about six, six to 12 of them if they had all fired up ready to light, and they’d turn these lights up on there and then when the lights would get on the Jap plane, then our planes would be able to spot the bomber and then the P.51’s and 38’s, P.38’s would shoot them down.  But that was in the best side in the world if I ever seen in my life was to see a Jap bomber shot down in Morotai.  To see – – to see the light on him, to see him explode, and then see a flash, the black – – black explosion then a flash, then hear the motors revving up and going down into the ocean.  Then you see your airplanes do their tip of their wings and everybody turns their lights off, follows this airline right on down to the ocean, you know.  But it was quite a thrill, something different for us to be able to see how the air corps and everybody worked as a unit.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And we stayed – –

Wayne:  What Christmas would this be?

Milo:  Oh – –

Wayne:  ’42, ’43?

Milo: Let’s see, ’43, ’44.

Wayne:  ’44.

Milo:  ’44.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: Then we went from – – they told us – – they told us we’d be loading out – – we stayed there and guarded the airstrip (Pause in tape.  Unintelligible) we killed all them Japs up the side there.  Those Japanese let us go through them in that cocoon grass.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: They let that first group go right on past them, about the first squad.  And after we got about the first squad past, we always have a signal, we stop.  We talk to them on the radio.  You have your walkie-talkie and you have everybody stop.  And when you stop, one faces one way and one faces the opposite way.  Back to back.  Combat.  And one of the fellows radioed on and he says, I just seen movement in the grass.  Japanese to our left front.

The orders were hang by, on signal, everybody fire to our left, mover forward.  So when the signal come, every – – everybody starts to shooting and they stand up and they go, walk through the cocoon grass.  But they took the Japanese by surprise right on the ground.  We never lost a man at Morotai.  Them riflemen, them riflemen really protected us, I’ll tell that you.  They – – they just done a good job.  But the Japanese let them go right through.  But if us guys in the back hadn’t seen it, them guys would have been cut off.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  From Morotai we went – – they was gonna take us up into different islands and they kept us on the ships for quite a while.  We’d go from one island to another to make landings, and they’d hold us out.  And then after so many days, they told us they told us we would be going up to – – into Luzon.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So then they went up into Luzon, and Harold’s Bunch, 32nd, and probably Norm’s bunch from the 41st and that bunch that Norm and Paul Knight’s and them, they went down into Manila.

Wayne:  I’m not sure – –

Milo:  Down by Clark Air Base, Subic Bay, they probably come in down there.  But we went up above and come back in Lingayen Gulf where MacArthur came back in.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And they sent us back up in Lingayen Gulf as guard duty, so when MacArthur comes back in on his, I shall return – –

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  – – That, that is the 33rd division where he comes back in there, if you know the history of it.  That is your golden cross assignment, the return of MacArthur, right in there.  That’s where MacArthur comes back in the 33rd division.

Wayne: Did you have to fight your way in there?

Milo: Never. Not there.  We could hear the Japs’ artillery fire coming back out of the hills out of Baguio City down into the valleys.  But see, Harold and them guys, they come through clear down into Subic Bay, down in Manila, and they worked their way back up through the island.  And Milo Sharp and them guys, they went back to Kibachiwan, the prison camp.  Milo Sharp, his bunch went over to Kibachiwan and relieved all the prisoners of war over in that area.

Wayne: Oh.  You know what outfit Mutt was in?

Milo: I don’t remember.  But Harold was with the 32nd division.  And Harold and them went over to Galiano Valley, wasn’t it?

Wayne: I don’t know.

Milo: Galiano Vallley.  They went – – they went past Kibachiwan, the concentration camp, and they went back into Kibachiwan and we went over into Baguio City.  So we were all close together.  And I – – that’s – – that’s when I – – I met Harold down in Luzon.

Wayne:  Oh, did you?

Milo:  Up in – – but up in Lingayen Gulf.  He come up through there.  And I was in charge of distributing the trucks and stuff as they come off the ships, and I was in charge of having them relay the companies, to companies into certain areas and – – but I seen Harold and these guys come through, his buddy.

Wayne: Was that just by chance?

Milo:  By chance.

Wayne:  No kidding?

Milo: But he knew we was coming in.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  See, he had a radio.  And on the radio you communicate with each other.

Wayne:  Uh-huh

Milo: And he picked up our code and he was so many miles away and they came through the field.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Instead of going around the road, they come through the field to us.  And I throwed my glasses up and I says to Lieutenant Early, I says, there’s a couple soldiers coming down through there and they’re not Japs, you know.  And I was bringing these trucks in, keeping them going where they was supposed to go, and hollering the different guys where to put them.  And pretty soon, these two soldiers got up close enough and I throw my glasses on there and I thought, hell, hell, oh mighty. And then I say to Lieutenant Early, I says, what’s going on here?  He says, aw, don’t pay no attention to them, they’re all right.  So pretty soon, Harold and them guys, they got, oh, probably here to the road, and I heard Harold say, God, big brother, don’t you even know me?  See, he had his glasses.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And he’d come down to a dentist probably.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: And see, I was just coming in off the ships, but – –

Wayne:  So he had an idea you were in the area.

Milo:  Well, we have radios.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  See, they knew, they knew we were coming in there.

Wayne: Did you ever run into any other guys from Plain City.

Milo: I didn’t know – – Raymond Bitton from West Weber.  He married Beth Skeen.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo: Now, he was in the 33rd division also.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  He got a bronze star, yeah.  And see, we went – – we – – after we left Luzon, they sent us up into Aringay.  We stayed at Aringay and prepared to drop to – –

Wayne: Milo, I gotta use your – –

(Pause in tape)

Milo:  They sent us from Luzon after – – after MacArthur and them came in, they relieved us out of there as guard duty and they sent us over into Aringay.  They sent us over into Aringay to go through the homes and villages through there, house by house, and searching for the Japanese.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo: Outside of Aringay.  And outside of Aringay, we trained to go from one house to another, and we had to take – – go in in twos.  One of you walk into a house.  These are only one – or two-room building shacks.  One would go one way and one go the other way, and you had your rifle and bayonet and go right on in, ready to pull trigger any time.  And that was the hardest thing in the world for me is to go in a house ready to shoot in case you see a Japanese or somebody in there.  And it was pretty hard, but we – – we searched these villages, we searched the houses, we searched the outside and everything around Aringay.

And then around Aringay, we dug in.  And after we’d dug in for one day, the Japanese threw artillery shells in on us, and one of the shells exploded down by the – – a trail, being and it left something burning.  And the fellows went down to see what it was, and it was money.  The had hit a cache of money that the Japanese had buried, and the paper money and that had caught on fire and the silver coins and that was scattered all over.  And I’ve got clippings on that where they found over half a million dollars in coin the Japanese had buried.

But in this artillery barrage that they throwed around us, they throwed the 90’s artillery and whatever it was in on us.  And that was on February the 14th in the morning about 8:00 or 9:00 o’clock, February the 14th.  That’s when the one shell knocked me down and about four other guys got – –

Wayne:  This is 1945?

Milo:  ’45.

Wayne:  yeah.

Milo:  knocked us down, and – – February the 14th.  And then I realized I was down on the ground and wanted to get up to help, and then my one leg, I couldn’t get it up.  I was paralyzed in the one leg.  I’d been wounded.  So I go get up, and I go crawl over to help my buddy because he was bleeding on the side quite a bit on his neck.  And I put this compress on there as tight as I could, and told him to hold it.  And I says, I’ll have to help Fred, my buddy Palke over here – – not Palke, but one of the other fellows, said to come and help him.  I crawled over to help him and I thought, well, I’m stand up.  And when I went to stand up again, then another shell come in and hit us again.  So I got hit once, and then I got hit again, see.  So I got hit from the front and I got hit from the back (unintelligible) over that side.

Wayne:  Where was the second hit?

Milo:  From the back side on the artillery, see, caught me in the back.

Wayne:  In the back.

Milo:  It was shrapnel, but they – – I think they knocked about 11 of us down.  And Palke, he come running over, that’s my buddy here, and I says, Palke, I says, get my pictures of my wife and Gladys and my wallet out of my pack over there, will you?  I’d just come back off of guard duty through the night.  I went out on a suicide post, and I’d just come back.  And I hadn’t had any sleep, and I got wounded as I come, and I was just having a sip of drink with the guys, and I says, you guys, I says, we better split this up.  I says, we’re gonna get artillery up here, too.  And I no sooner said it than these two shells come in about the same time and got us.

But they shipped me down to 144 station hospital, and I was down there for about a month.  And I said, I gotta get out of here.  So I volunteered to go back to the company.  And then when we got back in the company, they sent us out – – out to San Fernando Valley where the Japanese were out over in that concentration there.  We was supposed to make a road block in that area to keep them there.  And we waded the Aringay river through the night.  And that’s after we’d been wounded.  I come back to camp that day, I come back to camp about 3:00 o’clock, and they was preparing to go out.  And I was just coming out of the hospital.  And they says, what are you gonna do, Sergeant Ross?  And I says, well, I’ll go with you.  Oh, why don’t you stay with the company?  And I said, no, I’ll go with you.  So I went and got my ammunition and everything, full pack and everything, and went with them.  We waded the Aringay river about 3:00 o’clock in the morning just below the bridge because they knew it was dynamited.  Japs was gonna blow it up.  We waded the Aringay river and went over into San Fernando Valley and waited until daybreak there to go back up into – – up towards Baguio City where we done most of our fighting.  But we done a lot of – –

Milo J Ross

Wayne:  So a day after you come out of the hospital, you’re engaged in a fire fight with – –

Milo:  Well, the day I come back out, I was loading up my pack that night to go with my company back into combat.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I was kind of chicken when I waded that river.  I had a little fear in me.

Wayne:  Yeah.  The wounds were – – didn’t – –

Milo:  Just shrapnel wounds.

Wayne: didn’t break any bone; they were flesh?

Milo: Flesh wounds.

Wayne: Didn’t shatter any bones or – –

Milo:  Just – – just poke holes through you – –

Wayne:  uh-huh.

Milo: – – you know, just – –

Wayne:  yeah.

Milo:  – – poke, poke holes through your body, you know.  And my legs was the same way.  But I – – they wasn’t gonna release me out of the 144 station hospital, and I said, I’ve gotta get out of here, I’m gonna go nuts.  But I went back in and the next, that – – the same night I got out, we waded the Aringay River.  We went right over to San Fernando Valley and then we worked our way back up on the ridges, back up through there, and starred to crawling down, down ridges, trying to wipe the Japanese out.

Then we got – – We got – – we had to take Hill X.  And Bilbil Mountain.  My Company got the Presidential Unit Citation.  But I got – – I got the Purple Heart, the Silver Star, and the Good Conduct Medal, and the Presidential Unit Citation.

Wayne:  You know, I had no idea you’d got a Silver Star.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  That’s – – that’s impressive, Milo.

Milo: I got the Presidential Unit Citation with the company.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  We had about a 40 – – they tried to take Hill X.  About seven or eight times before, and then they called upon Company C to take it.  We tried to take that, we got fired on and pinned down.  And we had to dig in for the night.  We lost quite a few men. And then we stayed and worked our way up the ridge, but we got up on top and on Hill X, we made our mission.  We dug in, we built pill boxes and stayed in.  We stayed there for seven, seven or eight days.  And they dropped ammunition and stuff from the airplanes, the C-47, they dropped ammunition and stuff our to us.  And then they had Filipino people bring rations and stuff up on their heads.

Wayne:  The Japanese are above you on the hill?

Milo:  They was on the – –

Wayne:  Dug in?

Milo:  – – Hill X.  And also on Bilbil Mountain.  And that’s where we was getting most of our fire from is Bilbil Mountain.  And Hill X, we had to work our way up that.  And when we got to our point up here, we dug in, then we built pill boxes with a roof over them.  We’d put logs and stuff over them.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  And then the night when they was gonna release us, they told us that high officials would be up.  Make room in the foxholes for them after dark.  So all the colonels and majors and everybody come up to see what they’re gonna do, so they get in our foxholes with and bunkers with us, and they stay through the night with us, and then the next morning they see what they gotta do, and decide they’re gonna relieve, take us off of this hill, Hill X.  So they relieve us off of Hill X. And they bring another company up to take our position.  And we go on back, back out of here, back down to rest area.  And when we get down to rest area, they feed us and let us drink and have clean up.  And about dark, they told us that we’d be combat ready again, with no sleep, after supper we would go back up on Bilbil Mountain where the other company was pinned down.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: After we ate, loaded up, went back toward Bilbil Mountain, we had to walk back up where they let us off.  Through the night, we walked up on top towards Bilbil Mountain, made contact with the company that was pinned down.  On radio, you’re always on radio, you understand me?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo: And they have their patrol back and forth.  We make patrol with them right on back up to where their company’s at, pinned down.  And they tell us that in morning we would – – all bayonets would be fixed bayonets. Ready to fire and move forward.  If anybody goes down, you move on past them, you do not stop, you move right through the company that’s pinned down, our own troops.   And the rifleman at daybreak – – you could see movement of the Japanese.   And you could see our troops down in the foxholes where we had to go down through.   And as soon as they give the signal, our troops went right on down through the first platoon, second platoon, third platoon, and I was the last platoon, fourth platoon.   We seen what was going on.  Our first squad of men that went down,  that – – all that firing was from the hip.  They – – they went through there.  You know, they caught the Japanese by surprise.   They took them right in their foxholes, right through the other company.  The other company was told stay in their foxholes.

Wayne: (Unintelligible )

Milo:  They had to stay down, let us through them.  And C Company went right through them.  And when we come through,  there was not a soldier of our company that got wounded.   We went right through the company that was pinned down and right off of Bilbil Mountain,  right on across the ridge, went right down to hill X,that we had been on the day before.

Wayne:  Good grief.

Milo:  And went right on down.

Wayne :  Yeah.

Milo:  Back down to camp.  I never did know what the company got for that.  I’ve – – you know, I – – I come back out of the service right after that because we was up in Luzon fighting on them hills and stuff like that.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  But I – – I did have a chance to stand and – – with Captain Kelly when we received his – –

Wayne:  He was your company commander?

Milo:  Company commander.  He got his Silver Star.   I got one.

Wayne:  And you got one.

Milo:  And I got to stand down with him on the platform they fixed for us.  P.W. Clarkson, sixth corps commander, pinned that Silver Star on me star.  He says, sergeant Ross, come and go to – – with us in Japan, and he says, I’ll give you a platoon – – a company of your own.  I’ll make you a lieutenant.  I says, sir, let me go home.  I got enough points.  65 points.

Wayne:  Is the war over by now?

Milo:  It’s just about over.   I says, the Japs are whipped, they’re coming in.  I says they’re coming in.  I says, I took a prisoner of war, and I says, 25, 30 others, I had them come up the next morning and I says, they’re coming in, they’re coming in.

And he says, Sergeant Ross, we need more just like you.  I says, please let me go home.

But I had the chance to stand on a platform with Captain Kelly and have a division pass by in review.

Wayne:  Wow.

Milo:  You know, that’s quite an honor.

Wayne:  Right

Milo:  Each company come by, and you hear then holler, Company C, eyes right.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Right on down through,  you know  – –

Wayne:  Not many tech sergeants get that privilege.

Milo:  That’s really a privilege.

Wayne :  Yeah.

Milo:  I was honored.   I felt proud.   I am a huge-decorated soldier.

Wayne:  Can I look at those pictures?

Milo:  You bet.

(Pause in tape)

Milo:  Sorry I took so much of your time.

(Pause in tape)

Milo:  Some people’s got them, but I’ve never got them.

Wayne:  I’m gonna ask Milo to run over these decorations again on the tape.  I had it off.  So we’re standing in front of a framed kind of collage of photographs and medals from his war – – there’s  the – – you have the Good Conduct Medal.

Milo:  Good Conduct Medal.

Wayne:  The Silver Star.

Milo:  Silver Star for gallantry in action.

Wayne:  Right.  And now that’s just the step below the – –

Milo:  Medal of Honor.

Wayne:  The Medal of Honor.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Right. And the Purple Heart.

Milo:  Purple Heart.

Wayne:  And the good – –

Milo:  World War II.

Wayne:  World War II.   Okay.  And then there’s a ribbon for a Presidential Unit Citation.   And the – –

Milo:  Combat Infantry.

Wayne:  Combat Infantry badge.

Milo:  The picture of P.W. Clarkson, sixth corps commander.

Wayne:  And up there’s his hash marks for – –

Milo:  Service points.

Wayne:  Right.  Is that – – I’ve forgotten  – –

Milo:  I don’t remember.

Wayne:  Six months.

Milo:  Yes.  That’s the old golden cross, 3rd division,  and that’s our  – – that’s our battle stars.

Wayne:  Two battle stars.

Milo:  See the one over here in the southwest pacific.

Wayne :  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Down into New Guinea.   Morotai.   And then the Philippine Islands over here.

Wayne:  The two battle stars are for the Philippines.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  And the one to the left of the cross is the New Guinea.

Milo:  New Guinea.

Wayne:  Right.  What is this?

Milo: That’s the expert.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  I’m an expert in everything that I used.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I have citations, written citations, I have M-1 rifles, carbine, hand grenades.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I have certificates of everything.  I have a plaque made up that I’ll show you in my bedroom.  I’ll bring out and show you.  But it’s P.W. Clarkson pinning the silver star on me.  That’s captain Kelly standing by me.  And after he pinned these on me, we had the division, 33rd division pass by in review.

Wayne:  Yeah J.

Milo:  Honored me and Captain Kelly.

Wayne:  And that was essentially the end of your army career?

Milo:  I wanted to get out at that time.

Wayne:  Yeah.  While you were still whole.

Milo:  I’ll show you the plaque.

(Pause in tape)

Milo:  His name’s Milo Paul Ross.  And he’s an Eagle Scout.  And he has a son here named Paul after his – –

Wayne:   Oh.

Milo: – – After his dad.

Wayne:  Yeah.  Is that his Eagle Scout?

Milo:  He’s an Eagle Scout.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And he’s  – – he’s a high-decorated Eagle Scout also Milo’s and Eagle Scout and his son’s an Eagle Scout.

Wayne:  Where does Milo live?

Milo:  Paul, Idaho.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Paul, Idaho.  He – – this here bit here received a – – an award out of Minico.  This school in Rupert give almost a million dollars scholarship out in high school graduation,  and my grandson, Paul Ross – –

Wayne:  Paul Ross.

Milo:  – – right here received from there clear on down to there.

Wayne:  Well.

Milo:  About $52,000 scholarships,  that the young buck, Paul Ross, received.

Wayne:  To USU

Milo:  Yeah, up to Logan.

Wayne:  Right. What did he do?

Milo: He’s in drafting, engineering,  and computers.  But you can – – can you read them here?  That’s a presidential.

Wayne:  Presidential.

Milo:  $24,000.

Wayne:  For $24,828.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  USU Drafting and Music.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  $1,500.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  USU Academic honors, $250.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  James Dixon Honorary,  $1,000.   Harry S. Truman Library Institute,  $2,000.  Colorado School of Mines Achievement,  $6,000.  Freshman, $2,000.  Performing arts,  $800.  John and Doris Jensen, $750.  Conoco, $1,000.  Delano F. Scott, $1,500.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  That’s quite a list.

Milo:  Well – –

Wayne:  Now, is this when he graduated from high school?

Milo:  From high school.

Wayne:  Then he gets these for the college or – –

Milo:  yeah he’s going up to Logan.  He has a scholarship here now to go to Logan, tuition paid.   But he has to pay $3,000 for his board and room I think up there.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  But other than that  – –

Wayne:  Is he up there now?

Milo:  He’s going this fall.

Wayne:  He’ll be a freshman?

Milo:  (unintelligible )

Wayne:  Oh, this has just happened then?

Milo:  Just happened.

Wayne:  Oh, yeah, this is June 4th.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  1997.

Milo:  He’s a brilliant boy.

Wayne:  Minidoka  County.

Milo:  Yeah, he’s been – –

Wayne:  Rupert, Idaho.

Milo:  He’s been back to Kansas City twice.  He went back later year on a scholarship fund.  This year he went back to Kansas City with his dad.  They spent ten days going back, come back again, and he placed 16th last year and he placed 16th this year national.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Scholarships.  He got to go back to Harry S. Truman scholarship school back there that they have for scholarships.  And he placed 16th each time.  And that’s Milo’s boy.  Now, he wants – – what he wants to do now,  when he’s going to Logan, if Logan will let him go this fall when he’s a in school to California on a scholarship for Stanford,  I think it is – –

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  – – If they’ll let him go to Stanford on a scholarship, oh, like a scholarship deal, he wants to go down there if Logan will let him go long enough out of college to go down there to – – on that time limit for that scholarship down there.  He’s gonna try to get it.  I don’t know whether he’ll been able to get it or not.

Wayne:  Huh.

Milo:  But he picked up about $52,000 scholarships.

Wayne:  Yeah.  Where did your son, Milo, go to school.

Milo:  He went to Plain City.  See, he had his schooling here.

Wayne:  But he – – did he go to college?

Milo:  He didn’t go to college.

Wayne:  He went to Weber High?

Milo:  See, I bought him that ’59 Chevrolet Impala convertible, that red one.  Do you remember him driving that around?   I bought him that – –

Wayne :  No, I haven’t been around.

Milo:  I bought him a ’59 Impala convertible to keep him in school.   And then I tried to get him to go on a mission.  He wouldn’t go on a mission.  And I says, son, here’s $5,000, I’ll give it to you now, or I’ll put it in the bank in your checking account if you’ll go to – – go on a mission.   He says, dad, I’m old enough to know where I wanna go.  So he just went to work for Circle A Trucking outfit,  and he’s been with them ever since.  He’s  the – – he’s their supervisor up at Paul, Idaho, for the big trucking outfit up there.  That’s one of the biggest outfits there is in the states is Circle A Trucking.

I’ve got a plaque here that I’ve just kind of put a little junk together.

Wayne:  Oh, boy.

Milo:  And it really isn’t put together very nice.   But come over here.

Wayne:  Now Milo’s showing me a mock-up he’s  got of some material on a kind if a – –

Milo:  Clipping.

Wayne:  – – two-part clipboard here.  There’s his Chevron.

Milo:  I even got a – – I got a clipping of Plain City School play night, see.

Wayne:  Oh, my heavens.

Milo:  Here’s – – here’s your sister, Ruth, in here.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: She was my leading girl.

Wayne: Right, I remember that play.

Milo: She was – – she was my girlfriend.   And you know what?  I tease her.  I always say, when I was supposed to kiss you, you always used to put a handkerchief up so our lips never touched.  She gets a kick out of that.  But that was in the school.

Wayne: Yeah

Milo:  Can you read what day that was?  I don’t remember.

Wayne:  Plain City Junior High School  – –

Milo:  ‘36

Wayne:  – – Will present “The Girl who Forgot” in the ward recreation hall tonight.  That is something the 3rd, 1936.

Milo:  1936, Yeah.  But I kept that.

Wayne:  Rex McEntire.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Keith Hodson.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Ray Charlton.

Milo:  Yeah.  Van Elliott Heninger, he’s in there.

Wayne:  Ray Richard  – – Ray – – Ray Richardson.

Milo:  Charlton.

Wayne:  Oh, Ray Charlton.

Milo:  Ray Charlton.

Wayne:  Middle row Dorothy Richardson.

Milo:  Dorothy Richardson.

Wayne:  Right.  June Wayment.

Milo:  June Wayment.

Wayne:  Larne Thompson.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Margarite Maw.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Ruth Carver.  Back row, principal  J.M. Rhees.  Eugene Maw.  Director,  Van Elliott Heninger.   He was our baseball coach.

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Milo Ross

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  And teacher, Ernst Rauzi.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Who taught us shop, didn’t he?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Oh, that’s something.

Milo:  Isn’t that?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I – – I had some of these pictures made up and give the kids all some.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Then this here one picture here that – –

Wayne:  Plain City Clubbers Show ability.

Milo:  That’s baseball.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I don’t remember what year that was either.   That probably won’t even tell you.

Wayne:  No.  Are you in there?

Milo:  Yes, sir. Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah, there’s Elmer.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  That Freddy?

Milo:  Yeah, that’s old Fred.

Wayne:  Glen.

Milo:  Glen.

Wayne:  Norm.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  My brother.

Milo:  Frankie Skeen.

Wayne:  Oh, is it?  Yeah.  Claire Folkman.

Milo:  Claire Folkman.  Dick – –

Wayne:  Dick Skeen, Albert Sharp – –

Milo:  Albert Sharp.

Wayne:  Abe Maw.

Milo:  Yeah.   Milo Ross.

Wayne:  Is that you?

Milo:  Yeah, that’s Milo.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Hang onto that there.

(Telephone rings.)

Wayne:  And on the front row there is Frankie Skeen, Walt Moyes, Arnold Taylor, Lynn Stewart,  (unintelligible).

Yeah, the rest of this caption reads, Plain City’s Hustling Ball Club has many of the bleacherites at the 1938 Utah Farm Bureau Baseball Championship picking it to walk off with the slate – – the state title.  Before the joust closes.  Yeah,  we recognize the Al Warden prose there.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah.   I don’t think they won it.  I don’t think we ever won that.  Played those games up at Brigham City, didn’t we?

Milo:  We got placed second.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Denver and Rio Grand got first.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Yeah.   And thus is a picture here of – –

Wayne:  Oh, of Luzon.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Now, here’s one of New Guinea.   Picture of New Guinea.  Here’s a picture  – –

Wayne:  Now, I can’t pick you out there.  Where are you?

Milo:  Well, I won’t be in that picture.

Wayne: Oh you’re taking the picture.

Milo:  I’m taking the picture.   Here’s my brother,  Harold Ross, and Milo Ross.  We got a little write-up against  – –

Wayne:  For heaven’s sake.  You was all so lean.  Yeah.  You did.

Milo:  Then I got a picture here of me in the hospital, 44 station hospital.   And that’s McFarland, Delmar White, and Milo Ross and Lyman Skeen.

Wayne:  This was all in the Pacific – – or in the Philippines?

Milo:  Yeah.  That’s the Philippine Islands right there. 144 Station Hospital.

Wayne:  Were they all – – were they in the hospital?

Milo:  They came to see me.

Wayne:  Oh,  they came to see you.

Milo:  They – – they –  on these radios, you have communication back and forth.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  In the war.   And here’s our Japanese flag we took.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  I that have there.  Here’s  – – I have a Silver Star, a citation.   Here’s Captain Kelly and Milo Ross here.

Wayne:  Yeah.

2004

Milo:  Here’s Presidential Unit Citation.   I – –

Wayne:  Company  C., 18th infantry regiment – –

Milo:  one hundred thirty  – –

Wayne:  – – of the 33rd – –

Milo: Division.

Wayne:  – – Division.

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne: Okay.

Milo:  This here’s  the 33rd division.   Here’s the copy of it, that over there.  Now, I have a – – oh, here’s a picture where we were at in New Guinea and different places like this.  But everything that I  – – the ships and that I was on, I kept a record of everything that I rode on.

Wayne:  Well, yeah.

Milo:  Can you see it?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  I even have the dates and everything that I kept them on.  I kept – – I kept it in my helmet so it wouldn’t get destroyed.   Isn’t that amazing?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But I got more time on the shop than a lot of Navy boys have got.  And then I got the battles that you was in here, see?  Different places here.   Here’s the 33rd division strikes gold, see, recovers a half million dollars plot – –

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  – – Uncovered.

Wayne:  This is a – –

Milo:  That’s what – –

Wayne:  – – Newspaper, your division newspaper.

Milo:  Yeah.  See I was telling you about this one here.  But see, I have the certificates, the mortars, and machine guns, and everything.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  These are all nice.  But I – – I kind of kept a record of all of it.  These here are little clippings like these here.  Sergeant Ross leads an attack and all that, you know, and – –

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  I have them all together.

Wayne:  Is it – – what paper is this from?

Milo:  That’s standard.

Wayne:  Oh, Uh-huh.

Milo:  But I got a – – I got lot of copies of it.  I’m trying to put a bunch of them together.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I was wondering if I could find that one down to – – here’s Morotai right here.   That was September the 16th, ’42.  I told you ’44.

Wayne:  Was when you were in Morotai?

Milo:  Uh-huh.  Let’s see, let’s see what I wrote on here.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  This is ’44, in December 1944 in Morotai, that – – I was right when I told you before.

Wayne: Oh,  this is from the time  – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  – – this was when you went in the service.

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  September 16, 1942.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  And you were discharged September 30th, 1945.

Discharge Certificate

Milo: Right.

Wayne: Almost three full years.

Milo:  Three years.  And then December ’44, see, we was in a battle down in Dutch East Indies,  Morotai, our first combat,  see, out here.  That’s Christmas Eve,  see, right here?   Under combat fire, February the 14th.  First enemy fire in Rosario, Luzon.   The last of February,  202.  See, we was on a lot of hills.

Wayne:  Hill 18 – –

Milo:  – – Yeah.

Wayne:  – – 02.

Milo:  1802, near Rosario.  Near Arringay, Luzon.  And then middle of March, Ballang City.  Last of March through April, May, Hill X, with seven unsuccessful attempts,  they had tried taking that hill before us – –

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  – – the army, our army, they asked company C., our company , to take it, after what did I say, seven?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  So they tried to take that hill seven times.  We went up and we took it ourselves with the company.   We had a high casualty rate, about 44 percent if I remember, it’s on one of these here clippings here that says it.  This Presidential Unit Citation probably tells me.  And we was on Hill X.  And then we went back up on top.

Wayne:  But you took Hill X.  By going up – –

Milo:  Walking right up after them.

Wayne:  Well, I thought  – – weren’t you brought down from Hill X.  Then you regrouped and came up where the artillery – –

Milo:  We go up to Hill X first.  We take Hill X and hold it and dug in.  And then after we dug in, they took us out, back to camp area, they take us back up over here and come up on Bilbil Mountain.

Wayne:  Okay.   I had.

Milo:  Right next to it.

Wayne: Okay.   You – – so you took Hill X.  Before Bilbil Island.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Okay.

Milo:  I’ll give you some clippings, if you’ll give me your name and address, I’ll send you copies of them.

Wayne:  I will. I’ll be glad to have them.

Milo:  Look, here’s the Presidential Unit Citation.  They’re just clipped on kind of easy.  These are cute.  This is my wife here.  Here’s one right here.  His platoon received the mission to protect from the left flank along this – – also to push forward and capture a section of the hill.

(Tape II-A.  Ends.  Tape II-B begins.)

Wayne:  His platoon received the mission of protecting the left Flank of the company’s assaults, and was also to push forward and capture a section of the hill.  The Japs’ positions were peppered with heavy barrages of artillery and mortar fire before the attack.  The unit started the attack with Sergeant Ross leading his platoon.  After reaching half of the – – just half the distance, the infantrymen were stopped by Japan fire consisting of knee mortars, rifles, and machine guns.  During rest of the day, the two groups slugged back and forth at each other with their arms.  During the night, the Japs launched an attack against the 130th perimeter, but were driven off.  Sergeant Ross’s machine guns and mortars played an important role in stopping the enemies attack.  The following date the Doughboys slowly started – –

Milo:  To gain.

Wayne:  Oh,  to gain yards until by late afternoon they had pushed to the top and captured the positions, killing a large number of Japs.  Sergeant Ross’s platoon captured it’s objective before any other of the other units were able to secure theirs.  Sergeant Ross has been in the services for nearly three years – –

Milo:  Two.

Wayne:  – – Two of which have been spent in the Pacific area.  Prior to participating in the Philippines liberation campaign, he battled the Japs in Netherland East Indies in the second battle of – –

Milo: Morotai.

Wayne:  – – Morotai.   Who wrote this?

Milo:  These come from – #

Wayne:  You don’t know what that’s from?

Milo:  I don’t know, but I’ll give you a copy.

Wayne:  That apparently is a news account.

Milo:  Yeah.  Here’s a Presidential Unit Citation.  Can you read this one right here?  Do you wanna read that?

Wayne:  I would like it on the tape, yeah.

Milo:  Okay.

Wayne:  Is that the same as this?

Milo:  Same as that.  Turn it over by your light there.

Wayne:  Huh?

Milo:  Turn it over by your light.  Maybe you see it better, can you?

Wayne:  Unit Citation,  5 July, 1945, Headquarters 33rd Infantry Division,  A.P.O. 33, General Orders Number 159.  Under the provisions of Section 4, Circular Number 333, War Department, 22 December, 1943, the following unit is cited by the Commanding General of the 33rd infantry division: Company C., 130th Infantry Regiment, is cited for outstanding performance of duty in armed conflict with the enemy.  Bilbil Mountain of Province Luzon – –

Milo:  Come in.

Wayne:  – – Philippine Islands  – –

Milo:  Come in.

Wayne:  – – An extremely rugged forest covered – -, key defensive positions was occupied by a company of Japs reinforced with heavy machine guns, section – – 90-millimeter mortar section and two sections, two guns of 75-millimeter howitzers.  This commanding ground afforded excellent observation and enable the enemy to maneuver it’s forces and supporting- – weapons to advantageous positions,  to successfully – – to success – -I can’t read – –

Milo:  To seize.

Wayne:  To success – –

Milo:  Oh – –

Wayne:  To success – –

Milo:  Important – -oh, two previous unsuccessful – –

Wayne:  To successfully repel seven previous attempts – –

Milo:  They’d been tried taking it seven times before.

Wayne:  All right.   To seize Hill X.

Milo:  But we took it in the first time up.

Wayne:  The strategically important know on the southeastern slope of Bilbil Mountain.   Hill X.  Was honeycombed with prepared positions from which the enemy observed and harassed our movements along the Galiano-Baguio road.  That’s B-a-g-u-i-o.

Milo:  Baguio.

Wayne:  Baguio,  the Galiano – Baguio – –

Milo:  Galiano.

Wayne:  Galiano-Baguio road.

Milo:  Baguio road.

Wayne:  On Ap- – on 12 April 1945, company C. Under the sweltering sun laboriously climbed steep mountain trail which followed the crest of an extremely narrow hogback ridge, which except for shot – –

Milo:  Cogon Grass.

Wayne: – -Cogon Grass and sparse bamboo growth was devoid of cover, and pushed to within 400 yards of the crest of Hill X.  When they were met by heavy barrage of 90-mortimer – -millimeter mortar fire which enveloped the entire ridge.  From the simultaneously intense enemy machine gun and rifle fire emanating from the many camouflaged spiders holes and caves astride the trail,  evac- – inflicted many casualties forcing the company to dig in.  A reconnaissance revealed no other route to the objective, so the company evacuated it’s casualties and aggressively pressed against this seemingly impenetrable fortress throughout the day making the enemy – –

Milo:  Disclose.

Wayne:  – – Disclose its strong points.   On 13 April 1945, despite the fact that the constant watchfulness against the night infiltration  – –

Milo:  You lost a line – –

Wayne:  No, I skipped a line, didn’t I?

Milo:  On April first – –

Wayne:  It’s my glasses.  On 13 April 1945, despite the fact that the men weary from the strenuous climb, the fierce fighting and constant watchfulness against night infiltration, the company launched a dawn attack.  Undaunted by the intense fire which inflicted five casualties to the leading elements, the gallant fighting men of company C. Imbued with an indomitable fighting spirit swiftly worked their way up, up – – way up the knife – like ridge,  and in the fiercest kind of close-in fighting wiped out six Jap machine gun nests in succession, killing the defending Japs in their hole.  The enemy fanatically contested with intense fire every foot of the way to the summit, but undismayed,  company C. Seized Hill X. And dug in tenaciously holding on despite continuous harassing fire delivered from the dominating positions on the Bilbil Mountain.

That night the Japs counter-attacked another company sent to assist in the attack on Bilbil Mountain, on 14 April 1945, succeeded in reaching the summit only to be driven off by the fierce Jap counter-attack.  The full fury and power of the Japs was again turned on company C.  Which alone held its, position, successfully repulsion gallery the severe and determined counter-attacks.  The tired fighting men of company C.  Exhibiting unwavering fighting spirit despite nearly 50 percent casualties, tenaciously held Hill X.  For five days until reinforcements were available to continue the attack and annihilate the enemy.

Milo:  That’s right,  but I’ll give you a copy of these.

Wayne: Yeah, that would be great.

Milo:  I’ll fix you up something.

Wayne:  Yeah, they’re kind of hard to take off the tape and – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  – – Get accurate.

Milo:  But I’ll  – – I’ll give you a copy of it.

Wayne:  Hi.

A Voice:  Hello, how are you?

Milo:  This is Dick Skeen’s boy.

A Voice:  (unintelligible)

Wayne:  How did you do?

A Voice:  Cody (Unintelligible)

Wayne: Cody – –

A Voice: (unintelligible)

Wayne:  Across the street?

A Voice:  Uh-huh.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Trying to do an audio on visual stuff.  We should have a video.

Milo:  They told about the Philippine Islands people would give you a ribbon, liberation ribbon.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  So I wrote to the Philippine people, that I really appreciated them, one thing and another, see.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Then I thought, well, I’ll just tell something about the people.  So I told about the people carrying the water and the stuff up on their heads and that.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I said, I don’t know whether the Army’s ever told you this or not, but I wanna thank you personally.  I never had guts enough to get out of my foxhole, do you understand it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  To help you carry that stuff up the hill.  But the women and the men and the girls that carried the ammunition and water up to us, I’d like at this time to thank you people from the Philippine Islands for helping us while we were in the war to save your country.

Wayne:  That was mighty – – mighty thoughtful of you Milo.

Milo:  Well, I wrote a letter and I sent it to the Philippine people and I kept this copy.

Wayne:  Right, did you get any response?

Milo:  Not yet.  You don’t get much back.

Wayne:  Probably not.  I’m sure it was delivered.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: Now, is there anything else?  But I will, while you’re still on your tape, I will give you a copy of my Presidential Unit Citation.  I’ll give you a picture of myself.

Wayne: Right.  And if you’re gonna make, you know, I could go into Kinko’s and get copies made in a hurry.

Milo:  Well – –

Wayne:  If you wanted to trust me with any of this stuff.

Milo:  I’d  – –

Wayne:  But you – –

Milo:  Let me get them all together for you.

Wayne:  – – Maybe rather have them – – I’d like a copy of that, if you wouldn’t mind my having one.

Milo:  Well, it’s not too good a writing.

Wayne:  Well, wasn’t gonna grade it.

Milo:  Well, professor  – –

Wayne: It’s not a theme.  But there’s nor many soldiers that wrote letters like that – –

Milo:  See I – –

Wayne:  – – 40 years after the fact.

Milo:  But the idea of it is, the idea of it is, see, I did write to the people.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And thank them for it.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And I – – I – –  where  is Gladys?  But I did  write to the Filipino people, look, I wrote this here April 7, 1994.  Can you see it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Dear Philippine people and the government,  do you understand it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: Thanks for not forgetting and out the war, do you understand that?

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Then I put down Milo Ross and my number and everything like that.  Filipino.  But it’s your country, not my country.

Wayne:  Yeah.  Have you ever been back?

Milo:  No.

Wayne:  Yeah, that’s a very, very thoughtful letter, indeed.

Milo:  Well, I wanted to write to the people.

Wayne:  That’s – –

Milo:  That’s my little Milo.  This is Mr with the horses.   You remember that?

Wayne:  This is the guy I knew.

Milo:  That’s many years ago, Wayne.

Wayne:  You haven’t got one of you in your baseball uniform?

Milo:  Yes, sir, that’s the only one down here.

Wayne: I was probably the score keeper for that team.

Milo:  You was the scorekeeper – –

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: – – Wayne, you was the scorekeeper.  They called you the bat boy.

Wayne:  Right.  In English.

Milo:  English.

Wayne:  I called Ted Christensen and I said I – – it’s a long time ago, and he said, I remember you, English.

Milo:  But I – –

Wayne: – – I’ll never live it down.

Milo:  If you will get – – give me your name and address and that and I – – I will get you – – I’ll put you a bunch of stuff together.

Wayne:  Good, I’d like that.  Yeah.  Are you gonna have to stop for dinner?

Milo:  Beg pardon?

Wayne:  Are you gonna have to stop for dinner?

Milo:  No.  You just tell me what you wanna do and I’ll – –

Wayne: Okay,.  Well, I’d like to cut back from Army.  You came home in – – from the Army in – –

Milo:  ’45.

Wayne:  In ’45. In what, July – – what did it say?

Milo:  I came home in September.

Wayne: September of ’45?

Milo:  Yeah, August.

Wayne:  Right.  Let’s go back a little bit to – – we’ll have to be a little  – –

Milo:  He’s on time because he’s gotta fly out.

(Conversation in background.)

Milo:  Here, you go here.  Do you want that (unintelligible)

Wayne:  Well, it might be a little better.

Milo:  Why don’t you sit over here?

A Voice:  Nice to meet you.

Wayne:  Nice to meet you

A Voice:  See you later. (Unintelligible)

Milo: Wayne and them used to live where the homes and that’s in here.

A Voice:  Over here?

Milo:  Carver.

Wayne: We lived in the house where Lorin – –

A Voice:  Oh,  okay .

Wayne:  – –  And Carolyn lived.  That’s the old – –

Milo:  He’s a professor back in Minnesota.

Wayne:  Minnesota.

Milo:  He’s taking, putting a little stuff together.

Wayne:  I’m interviewing all the old people.

A Voice:  All the old people, huh?  Well, this guy sure is interesting, so I’m sure – –

Wayne:  Yeah, he is.

A Voice:  – – (unintelligible) lot of information.

Wayne:  Fascinating, yeah.

A Voice:  Well, I’ll let you go.

Milo:  Gladys, it’s 6:00 o’clock.  Are you gonna feed Judy?

Gladys:  She’s been fed (unintelligible).

Milo:  Okay.  We got a little bit more.

Gladys:  Did you get my dishes done?

Milo:  Did you get them dishes done, she says?  Did you want (unintelligible)

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: I’m gonna tell you – – can you hear me now?

Wayne:  I can hear you.  I’ll stop in a minute to see if we’re – –

Milo:  See if you pick it up.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Then I’ll wanna tell you you two things more.

Wayne:  Okay.

Milo:  Tell me when you’re ready.

Wayne:  Go ahead.

Milo:  I wrote to the Philippine people in ’94 and thanked them for the help that they give us on Hill X.  The time we were there, we could not leave.  You understand me?

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  We were pinned down.  And when you’re pinned down, the only place you go is crawling.  And these natives would bring that water, ammunition up to us, get to a certain place, they’d drop it off and run back.  I never seen an Army man jump up to help any of them bring it up, you understand me?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  I didn’t either.  But maybe we all should have went and helped them, I don’t know.

Wayne:  You’d have got shot.

Milo:  You understand what I’m trying to say?

Wayne:  Sure.

Milo:   But I thought, wonder if anybody ever thanked those people for doing it for us.  Because we couldn’t have stood there.  We wouldn’t have – – we wouldn’t have stayed there.  So I wrote that letter to them and thanked those people, to let the people know that their help to carry that ammunition up.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Sunday we was up to church services up to the Dee Hospital.  I’ve been going up there for six years.  I go up there and I help them pass the Sacrament, bless people, or anything like that in the hospital that wants to be blessed or have Sacrament or anything like that for six years.  This two Sundays ago a Japanese girl came from Tokyo.  Sister Sparrow introduced her to me.  And while I was sitting there, I got thinking, I wonder if that young girl would be a relative of – – to the soldier, Japanese, that I took prisoner of war outside of Baguio.  So it all run through my mind and finally I think, oh, gee, I’ll write a little letter to her.  I made an appointment to meet them next Sunday at the hospital,  so they came back next Sunday to the hospital, and I wrote this here little letter there and I told her, I says, you don’t know me, I don’t know you, but I said, during the war, outside of Baguio City, I give a Japanese a soldier to live his life.  I took him a prisoner of war.  I did not get his name, didn’t get his address, didn’t do anything like that.  But I said, I took him prisoner of war late in the afternoon, dark, and I says, I told him to tell his buddies to come up the next morning out of the cave.  There’s 25 or 30 more of them in there.  Come up with a white flag in the morning, up the trail with their white flag and surrender, because you’re done.  You’re gonna be blowed up if you don’t come out.  So he took back with me up the hill, and I never bothered me a bit taking him back as a prison of war.  I was down there alone.

I get back up to our foxholes and I told, I was on radio, I had my radio, I told them what we was doing, they was, watching me.  I get back up on the hill where we were at, dug in, one thing and another, and they have somebody there to take this man prisoner of war.  So before they take him prisoners of war, I shared a candy bar with him.  I give him a candy bar and shook his hand.  And says, good luck, I’m glad you came up the way you did.  And I says, your friends will probably meet you tomorrow someplace else.

I never thought anything more about it until I was to church after all these years.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Fifty-two,  three years.  You understand it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I see this Japanese girl, and I think, wonder if she could have a grandpa that I saved his life.  Wouldn’t that be something if that young girl goes, back to Tokyo and maybe it’s her grandpa or somebody in her family that I took a prisoner of war.  And I give her my name and address and I told her about what had happened.  I says, when you go back home, you see in your family or relatives, and around if they know some man that was taken prisoner of war outside of Baguio City, and if he did, I’m Milo Ross.  And I’d sure like to write to him.  And if he’s still alive, I’d even pay his way over here.  You know what I mean?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I would.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  I – – But you get attached to this.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And it’s in your heart.  Now, lot of guys say, how – – how can you do things like this and do that?  You don’t do it.  You’re a trained.  Day in day out, day in and day out.  The guys that trained and stayed trained is the guys that come back home.  The guys that was lazy, they didn’t make it too good.  It was hard for them.  But the guys that stayed alert physical  – – there was five tech sergeants, first sergeant,  second, third, fourth sergeant,  and the master sergeant,  the company.   Five of us.  Trained together.   Five of us sergeants came home on the same bus ticket – – boat together.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Isn’t that amazing?

Wayne:  Yeah,  it is.

Milo:  Five of us.  And it just shows you, you can do ‘er.  And see then, I didn’t get to see my son until he was three years old.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:   I was gone for three years old.  But I have a wonderful wife that sent me letters, encouraged me.

Wayne:  It’s amazing, you know, how much the war has stayed with you, though.

Milo:  Nobody knows, though.  If you told somebody you used your helmet to mess in, do you think they’d believe you?

Wayne:  Well, I would.

Milo:  See, you have to.

Wayne:  Yeah, because I did.

Milo:  You had to.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  You had to.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: And people don’t realize.

Wayne:  But there are a lot of guys from world war two, you know, I think they – – were able to cut it right off.

Milo:  Forget it.

Wayne:  And forget it.  You haven’t.  Or you wouldn’t feel that way about that Japanese girl.

Milo:  It touched my heart.

Wayne:  Yeah,  yeah.

Milo:  I thought, here’s a young girl.  Maybe I saved her daddy to give her a life.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Huh?

Wayne:  Yeah,  indeed.

Milo:  See, I’m – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – – I’m kind of a Mormon, you know.

Wayne:  When did you become a Mormon?

Milo:  Oh, what was it, back in ’36, ’37, when I was going into seminary, you know.

Hi Judy.

But, you know, little things like this in life, if I hadn’t of had a wonderful wife, I would have never come back home.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Never.  I’d have never come back home.  I’d have went into Japan  – –

Wayne:  You mean you’d have – –

Milo:  I’d have stayed.

Wayne:  You’d have pulled away somewhere.

Milo:  I would have stayed in the war.  Because I – – I’d have been – – I’d have been up, you know.  They – – they wanted me to take over platoons, they wanted me to do this, do that.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They even sent me over to headquarters, you know.  And helped me over there.  You know, and helped me,  helped me, helped me.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They liked me.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But if it hadn’t have been for – –

Wayne:  That’s interesting.  It didn’t surprise me when Harold became a career soldier.  Always thought Harold would like that.  But I didn’t  – – I wouldn’t have suspected that of you, you know.

Milo:  See, Harold got a Bronze Star.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Did he – – you talked to him?

Wayne:  Yes.

Milo:  He got a Bronze Star.

Wayne:  Yeah, over at Dad’s place right after Dad died.  Paul Knight got a Bronze Star.

Wayne:  Did he?

Milo:  He did.

Wayne:  Uh-huh, in the Philippines.

Milo:  Dale Moyes – – Dale East was there, too.

Wayne:  Really.

Milo:  Yeah,  Dale East was there.

Wayne:  Yeah

Milo:  Blair Simpson was there.

Wayne:  In the Philippines?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Did you run into all the guys.

Milo:  Never met a one of them.  Harold, my brother Harold – –

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  I went to Kibachiwan to see Milo Sharp, and the night I got to Kibachiwan, about 2:00 o’clock in the morning,  those guys were in trucks going out.  And how are you gonna find him?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  See, they’d relieved all the prisoners of war out of Kibachiwan.  Them guys, are the ones that caught the devil right there.  They – – they had a dirty setup taking prisoners of war there.

Wayne:  I didn’t see a soul from Plain City in the three years I was in the service.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Until I got back home.  I was in Europe course.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  And I think the Philippines, they cluster together more.  We were spread all over, you know.  Or I the – –

Can we cut back for a little bit to your life in Plain City – –

Milo:  (unintelligible)

Wayne:  – – you went to Plain City school, you went to Weber High school.   Any big adventures there?

Milo:  In school?

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  Oh, Mr. Bates, do you remember him?

Wayne:  Parley – – Parley Bates?

Milo:  Year, I remember Parley Bates.

Wayne:  Yeah.   Was he a big adventure?   I must have missed that part of him.

Milo:  He was – – oh, he was kind of like a prophet.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Yeah understand me?  You can do it.

Wayne:  Well, we tried to teach me mathematics.  And he thought he could.  He was no prophet there.

Milo:  Well, what I mean is, he – – he tried.

Wayne:  Oh, yeah, he tried.

Milo:  He tried, tried, tried, tried.  Do you understand?  Now, in algebra and geometry, I was easy.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Spelling?  I couldn’t even spell mother.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They asked me to – – in school once to draw a Robin.  So I tried to draw a Robin, you know, Charcoal, whatever we had.  And when I got through drawing this little robin, the lady, sister Stewart, Norma Stewart, she says, Milo, what is this?  Is this an elephant. And I said, no, that’s a Robin.

But you know, spelling and  English,  things like that, I couldn’t go for it, you know. .

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But when it come to building homes and stuff like that, I could take a set of blueprints and I could tell you every board that went into it.?

Wayne:  Right.  Now, did you – – did you just learn that on your own?

Milo:  It’s  – –

Wayne:  All your building skills and – –

Milo:  It’s probably like in your brain, you know, you take school and you take math and one thing another, and you – – you pick it up here and you pick it up there.  And Harold Hunt taught me a lot.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Harold Hunt, Del Sharp.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo: Harold Hunt’s probably one of smartest men there is in the world on a square

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Big framing square.

Wayne:  One of the quietest men in the world.

Milo:  Quietest men in the world.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: Wonderful.  They’ve done a lot of good for Plain City.  If you want to ask me questions, go right ahead.   I’m just talking.

Wayne:  No, that’s fine.  I – – I’ve wanted to go talk to Harold, you know, but I’ve been scared a little bit.

Milo:  I’ll go with you.

Wayne:  Well,  I’m not sure we will because I’m out here tomorrow.

Milo:  Oh, But he’d be tickled to death for you to come over.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo : Yes, sir.

Wayne:  Yeah, I always feel like I’m butting in on people.

Gladys:  You ought to go see him a minute before you leave.

Milo:  He’d  be glad to talk to you.  And you could ask him about Howard.

Wayne:  Yeah that’s true.

Gladys:  Jump in the car and go over and see him before you go home.

Milo:  You got a minute?

Wayne:  Oh, boy, I gotta go see Frank Hadley pretty quick.  Maybe I could catch a minute tomorrow.

Milo:  Okay.

Wayne:  I can call you?  Or I’ll just go over and – – will he mind if I call him?

Milo:  He’d be glad to see you.

Wayne: His wife’s Ina.

Milo:  Ina.

Wayne:  Who was she.

Milo:  She was an Etherington from West Weber.

Wayne:  Adele’s  – – Ladell’s brother – –

Milo:  Right.

Wayne:  – – Right.  Tell me, you made your life after the war as a builder,  right?

Milo:  I worked for the American Pack for many years.

Wayne:  Oh, did you?

Milo:  I was assistant foreman on the killing floor for many years.

Wayne: Oh, that became Swift.

Milo:  Used to be the American Pack, then Swift took over.  Then when Swift come over, they came in with the union.  And I could see what was happening.   They put them on piecework.   And when they put them on piecework,  I could see what was happening and I decided to get out of there.  So I got out of there and I went into – – to the carpenter business and I went to work – – second day I quit, I went to work on the 24th street Viaduct as a carpenter.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  So, I helped on the 24th street viaduct I built some scaffolding horses for them on them a-frames, on them I-beams and stuff like that,  to put the plank and that on – –

Wayne:  Is that the – – Are you talking about the new – –

Milo: 24th street viaduct.

Wayne:  When they pulled the old – –

Milo: West side down.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: They took that all down right after the war.  But I went to work over there for Wheelright’s Toughy Wheelright.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  And they sent me from – – they sent me up on Kaysville up there with another guy and we went up there and we laid out a great big water tank hole.  He was a surveyor,  and he took me up there and he taught me how to survey, how to use an instrument, you know, and how to lay it out.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And everybody seemed to like they kind of liked me when I got on a job with something like that, and it just seemed like everything fell together.  And then I went to work for Westingskow and Clay.  And I was a purchaser for them.

Wayne:  I’m sorry, who?

Milo:  Westingskow and Clay.

Wayne:  Westing- –

Milo:  Westingskow.

Wayne:  Skow.

Milo:  Yeah.   And Ben Clay.  They were builders.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  We built down in Roy, Clearfield, and right in that area there.  They- – one of the biggest builders right after the war.

Wayne:  Work on all those homes that have filled up – –

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne :  – – The country?

Milo:  Yeah. And then I – – I went – – I built 1q units,  four-plexes for C.R. England in Roy.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  You remember that?

Wayne:  Well, I remember Chester.

Milo:  Chester England,  he had the lumber yard.

Wayne:  I wasn’t around when he was in the lumber business no.

Milo: But I- – I went down into Roy right above the old folks’ home there and built 11 four-plexes for him. That’s the first – – first million dollars he made.

Wayne:  Really?

Milo:  Yeah.  He was offered a million dollars for them after we got completed.

Wayne:  Well, he just built them on speculation?

Milo:  Well, he had me build them and he furnished all the material and everything out of his lumber yard.  And he had me as a foreman and I overseen them.  And I helped them survey their sewer in for Roy sewer and we run the water and everything.  It was kind of new to all of them at that time- –

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  – – to have that many units.   And they were kind of glad to have somebody help them, you know, to get their right measurements from the road and everything.   And it kind of work out nice.  But I worked for Chester England for all those years.  And then I work with Chester England in Plain City.  See, we built about 15 homes in Plain City for C.R. England.  But he financed each one of the homes we built for those people.

Wayne :  We’re these just individual lots?

Milo:  Individual lots.

Wayne:  They’re not side-by-side.

Milo:  No, just individuals.

Wayne: Uh-huh.

Milo: Down by the cemetery.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  See, he built them down through there.  And then after we got through with C.R. England, see, I went into business on myself and I had five guys working for me.  And we started to remodeling like Milton Brown’s house and built Dale Moyes’ house and Ike Moyes’ house.  We went right on through, Claire Folkman’s house, you know.

Wayne:  Where – – did Milton Brown live in Plain City.

Milo:  He lived in Warren,  down by the creek.

Wayne:  That’s what I thought.  By third creek.

Milo:  By Earl’s.

Wayne:  Yeah, that’s right,  yeah.

Milo:  See we remodeled his house.  And but I- – I  built Plain City Church with Lee Carver.  I built 38, 39th ward chapel on – – in South Ogden with Lee Carver.  He was the supervisor there.

Wayne:  He kind of worked for the church, didn’t he?

Milo:  He did work for the church.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Worked for the church  (unintelligible).  I wrote Lee Carver a letter too.

Wayne:  I understand he’s in a rest home now.

Milo:  He’s in a rest home on 9th Street with his boy, Brent.

Wayne:  Yeah.  I’m glad the two of them can be together.

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  I tried to call his daughter, Karen, but I can’t get them. I think they’re out – –

Milo:  If you wanna get a hold Lee Carver, I’ll go with you.  On 9th Street.  Take you right to his room.

Gladys:  Lee would be thrilled – –

Milo: He’d be glad  – –

Gladys:  – – to see you.

Milo:  You’d be- – you’d  do you good to get some tapes of that.

Wayne:  I’ve got – – I’ve got about ten tapes from Lee about ten years ago when he was still working out in his shop.

Milo:  They never give Lee Carver credit for building the Plain City church.  They didn’t even mention his name, dedication, you know that?

Wayne:  No.

Milo:  They didn’t even mention Milo Ross name a builder on it when they dedicated our church.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  It’s sad.  The guy that does the work and everything, he don’t get – – when we built Plain City Bowery up there, Junior Taylor and I done all the cement work.  They didn’t even mention that.  They mentioned the other guys that was in Lions’ club and this and that.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Do you understand?

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  But us guys, Junior Taylor and Milo Ross, they never give us credit for nothing.

Wayne:  Was Junior a builder?

Milo:  He helped cement, yeah, he helped us.  You see Clark Taylor run a housing building outfit up 2nd Street.  They called it Vitt’s Constitution.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  Clark Taylor was the strawman of it.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  He was the driver.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  That was up 2nd Street.  And Junior Taylor and Hugh Taylor and all then guys and Wilmette Taylor and all them come in, and he give us all work.  And that’s – – it helped each one of us progress.  But it’s really special.

Wayne: Yeah.  Well, I’m gonna have to go and I’ve kept you long enough.  Can you make a – – you’ve lived here all your life except for those four years you were in service.

Milo:  Three years.

Wayne :  Three years.   What do you make of it all?

Milo:  I’ve seen – – I’ve even got a picture of Milo, myself, in a buggy,  four, five of us in a buggy, one-horse-drawn buggy.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo :  I’m back that far.  And I remember we only had one light in a house, ceiling.

Wayne:  hanging from the – –

Milo: Hanging down.  You had to turn that on.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  I remember Merle England gathering up milk after a while, he started gathering up the milk.  They used to have to take their milk to the creamery there they separated it, cream and milk.

Wayne: Right.

Milo:  I’ve got a cream separator out here I’ll show you before you go.

Wayne:  Have you?

Milo:  And I remember Ed Sharp getting one – – probably one – – not the first truck in here, but one of the first trucks.  Winer Maw, remember that great big truck they brought in here that had hard wheel rubber tires.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  And – –

Wayne: A motorized truck?

Milo:  Yes, sir.

Wayne:  Not on pneumatic tires?

Milo:  It didn’t have on the – – it didn’t have on the air tires.  It had on – –

Wayne:  Good heavens.

Milo:  It had hard pressed rubber, like hard rubber on it.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: And the young boy, George Maw, was probably the one that drove it from Ogden out to here.  I’m not sure.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Because we used to be able to go down to Maw’s and work a little bit to get a – – some lunch meat, baloney, and black Nigger Babies, and stuff like that, you know.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Used to go help them unload coal and stuff like that to pick up a dollar.  We didn’t have money.  That’s what makes it bad.  But I – – remember the one light and milking the cows by hand.  Everybody had cows.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Everybody had chickens.  They had animals.  Ducks and geese.  They traded eggs.  They traded wheat and grain.  I can remember when they used to grind their grain through that grinder.

Wayne: Oh.

Milo:  Grind it, you know, and make their own bread.  And they’d – – you didn’t have butter and stuff like that.  You couldn’t buy it.  You make your own butter.

Wayne:  Do you remember the old creamery out there.

Milo:  Yes, sir.  Right across  – –

Wayne: That was ruins when we were kids.

Milo:  Yeah.   That was right where Timmy Folkman lives there now on the north side by Fred Hunt’s house.

Wayne:  That’s just about across from Fred.

Milo:  Barn.

Wayne:  Down by the barn. Whose creamery was that?

Milo: I don’t know.

Wayne:  Do you know who started it or – –

Milo: I don’t know.  Lee Carver tore that down for the materials.

Wayne:  Did he?

Milo:  Uh-huh.

Wayne:  I remember that.

Milo:  Yeah.  Lee Carver –

Wayne:  Used to go down there and play in the ruins.

Milo:  Yeah.   He used to go there.  And on Saturdays and Sundays, they used to come there, and we used to box.  Harold Hunt had boxing gloves and he’d get us to use the gloves and box each other, you know.

Wayne: Yeah, Ted was telling me about that.  I hadn’t realized that.

Milo: Yeah, but we was having fun.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And then Harold Hunt and Bert Hunt and Lloyd Robbins and a bunch of them guys had their horses they used to ride. And they’d also play Wyatt Earp and all that and go underneath the horses belly and all this and that.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  And Lloyd Robbins – – Lynn Robbins, he went underneath the horse up by uncle Ed Sharp’s, and when he went underneath the horse and came back up, the horse was running, and there’s a guy – wire that comes from the poles down into the ground?  And he caught that guy-wire on the side of his face and tore his face open that’s why he had a scar there.

Wayne:  I remember that.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  He was a tall skinny kid.

Milo:  Tall skinny boy.

Wayne:  Was he Dob and Blaine’s  – –

Milo:  Yeah,  brother.

Wayne:  Or, no, who was Dob?

Milo:  Blaine.

Wayne:  Blaine.  And it was Blaine and Lloyd.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  And Lynn.

Wayne:  And Lynn.

Milo:  And Lois.

Wayne:  We’re they Ire’s – –

Milo:  Ire’s kids.

Wayne:  Kids.

Milo:  But everybody had cows.  Everybody drove their cows from Plain City out to pastures.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Carvers done the same thing.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And – –

Wayne:  Some came east, some went west.

Milo:  Did I tell you about the log cabin, the Carvers – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: Okay.  I’ll tell you about the log cabin in Plain City.  The kids got into the old log cabin they had a roof over it to protect it.  And the kids got in there after the war and they – – they play up on the roof of the old cabin house, between that and the roof that they put over it to protect it.  And they got to using it for a latrine.  Instead of getting down, they’d urinate.   And in summer, you go down there to help fix up the old log cabin house, it smelled so bad, you couldn’t hardly stand the odor.   So the daughters of pioneers – – who had it at that time, Gladys?  Aunt Vic  Hunt?

Gladys:  Aunt Vic Hunt was one of the leaders.

Milo:  Who was the other one?

Wayne:  Mindi?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  In Moyes?

Milo:  Oh, the Carver girl.  Bud Carver’s daughter.

Wayne:  Beth?

Gladys:  Beth.

Milo:  Beth.

Wayne:  Oh,  okay.

Milo:  She had me come down and see what to do with the log cabin house, the Carver log cabin house.  They wanted to kind of restore it and keep it because it was going down to nothing.

Wayne :  Yeah.

Milo:  The plaster and everything was falling out of the walls.

Wayne:  That’s when it was down here by Walt’s

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: But the plaster and everything was falling out of the walls and the roof and the ceiling and all the thing was going down .  The windows were broke out and everything like that.  So I went down and I told them, I says, I’ll fix it up, but I’m not gonna leave that roof on top because that’s where the kids are doing your damage.  I’m gonna take it all down, and make the log cabin, the Carver log cabin, so everybody can admire it.  So I – – over years, I’ve kept the log cabin up.  And Rosella Maw, Arlo Maw’s wife has a key to it now.  Where I used to have a key, now they won’t let me have a key to it anymore.  Since Rosella Maw took over, I don’t have a key.

Gladys: (unintelligible)

Milo:  Huh?

Gladys:  Rosella wants it.

Milo:  Rosella Maw.

Wayne:  We were in it just Saturday because there was a Carver reunion and Joanne went over to Rosella and got the key.

Milo:  You have to get the key.

Wayne:  We went in.

Milo:  I used to have a key.

Wayne:  That’s a shame

Milo:  I took care of it all my life, you understand?

Wayne :  Yeah.

Milo: Since the war and- –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  And I fixed it all up and I put them big heavy shakes shingles on it and everything and I’ve put the mud back in the walls and fixed it up.  And I’ve put the steel gate and that on there.  And the windows.  I’ve fixed it all up.  And I’ve put great big long spikes through some of the logs, drove them spikes in through there so they cannot pull them out.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  See, I’ve cut the heads off the spikes and drove them – –

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  – -right in so kids – – and the kids use to tear them apart.  They’d take a log out and go through.  And that’s why them spikes are in there, put all them in there.  But over the years, Harold Carver- – Harold Carver donated money to president Calvert to shingle it and fix it up, some money one time.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  So president Calvert said he had this, money and that for it.  And I says, well, let me tear the roof and that all off and, let me fix it so it’s nice.  So that’s why theses thick but shingles are on there, them big slate shingles, and that.

Wayne:  Uh-huh.

Milo:  But otherwise,  you wouldn’t have a Carver building.

Wayne:  I hadn’t known that, you know, Milo.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne:  I’m really proud that that’s the Carver thing up there.

Milo:  I am too.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Because the Carvers meant a lot to me.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo: Yeah.  Your dad, your mother was – – they were gold to us.  They shared their garden with us.  She’d pick beans and stuff and say, Gladys, would you like a mess of beans?  Gladys says, yes, I’ll be over to pick them.  She’d go over to pick them, they were already picked.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Gladys:  I had to take care of my handicapped daughter and that before I could go pick.

Milo:  But you see – –

Gladys:  Already had them picked.

Milo:  The Carvers- – the Carvers had really been a dad and mother to a lot of us.

Wayne:  I remember – – I’ve got a letter, you wrote dad a letter – –

Milo:  In the war.

Wayne:  – – in the war.  A very tender letter, yeah.

Milo:  But it come from my heart.

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  Do you know why I wrote him a letter?   Sent me a card.  Joe Hunt sent me a card.  Do you understand it?

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  You never forget that.

Wayne:  No. Yeah.

Milo:  But I – – I am a high-decorated soldier.  I was turned in for Congressional Medal of Honor and one of the lieutenants wouldn’t sign it.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:   You have to have two signatures.  But I did get a Silver Star.

Wayne:  Right.

Milo:  Do you understand me?

Wayne:  Yeah.   Did you ever meet George Whalen that got the Congressional medal?

Milo:  No.

Wayne:  The Slater Villegas kid?

Milo:  He was – –

Wayne:  He was in the navy- –

Milo:  – – Paramedics.

Wayne:  Yeah,  he was in – – oh, well, ever sorry you came back to Plain City?

Milo:  Well, I’ve lived in Plain City all my life.

Wayne:  I know.

Milo:  Plain City’s been our home all of our lives.  Its, like I was telling you about my dad, everybody told me not to go see him, I went and seen him.  And I’m glad I went and seen him.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo :  You understand me?  And this Japanese girl I was telling you about, if she is a daughter or relative to that guy that I took prisoner of war, my heart will be full of joy to think that I saved another generation of families.

Wayne:  Right,  but – – that will be one of the great miracles of all time- –

Milo:  It can happen.

Wayne:  – – If – -if she finds someone out of that – –

Milo:  It’s could be.

Wayne:  Oh,  it could be.   I don’t doubt that it could be.

Milo:  It could be.

Wayne:  But it’s called a miracle.

Milo:  Miracle.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But it does happen every day.

Wayne:  Yeah?  So I know Harold lives over in West Weber.

Milo:  West Weber.

Wayne:  Paul was killed, you say?

Milo:  My brother Paul?  He died in a barn at Ed Sharp’s.

Wayne:  Your brother.

Milo:  My brother.   See, they were playing in the barn up at Ed Sharp’s and he fell out of the barn and broke his arm and concussion of the head, broke his head open.

Wayne:  How old was he then?

Milo:  Paul would have to be about nine or 11, somewhere in there.

Wayne:  So that happened not long after you came back to Plain City.

Milo:  We came back home down here.

Wayne:  And your sister – –

Milo:  June.

Wayne:  – – June.

Milo:  She’s still alive and living in California.   In Anaheim, I think she lived down around Anaheim, (unintelligible) district area. But tell him – – tell him about the letters aunt Vic Hunt was gonna give me, then she didn’t give me the cigar box.

Gladys:  I’ve got some letters.  And they’re Milo’s, they were sent to Milo’s, and I’ve kept them all these years and I wanna give them to him.  Se me and Milo went over this night.  And she says, well, they’re upstairs.   I’ll have to go upstairs and get them.  So she opened that door to go upstairs, then she come back and says, no, Milo, I don’t think I’m gonna give you these letters yet.  So Milo never got those letters.

Milo:  She’s handed me the cigar box.

Gladys:  She handed them to him, then took them back.

Milo:  I says, Aunt Vic, if that means that much to you, you take this box back.   I never got the box.

Wayne:  And you said you think you know who has that?

Milo:  I think Archie Hunt’s family got it.

Wayne:  Archie.

Milo:  But I’m not never gonna say anything to Archie Hunt.

Wayne:  Now, who – – yeah.

Milo:  It’s Bert.  That would be Fred Hunt’s- –

Wayne:  Did Archie marry Carol?

Milo:  Yeah.  Ralph Taylor.

Wayne:  Ralph and Elma’s, yeah.

Milo:  What’s in that box, little bit of money and that was in that box, do you understand?   Were the gifts that they’d sent me.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Gold pieces and stuff like that.  I really don’t care.  Silver certificate notes, gold notes.  You know, they had silver and gold certificates then, you know.

Wayne:  I’ve heard of them.  I don’t remember seeing them.

Milo:  Well,  I got some.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  But I got – -but I will – – I’ll – – I’ll fix you up a copy of my citations.

Wayne:  I’d appreciate that a lot.  And I’m not gonna have time to see – –

Milo:  Now, Frank – – Frank Hadley has got a lot of history about the baseball playing.  And he’s got a lot about Milo Ross pitching the ball game, 13 strikeouts, 12 strikeouts, 11 strikeouts, you know what I mean?  No hitters.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: And Frank Hadley has all of that.  But I’ve never been able to get him- –

Wayne:  has he got the score books?

Milo:  Yes.

Wayne:  Has he?

Milo:  Yeah.

Wayne:  I’ve gotta go over and talk to him.

Milo:  Yeah.

Gladys:  He’d love to see you.

Wayne:  What?

Milo:  You know where he lives.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Down there.

Wayne: Yeah.  I see him in the winter at st. George.

Milo:  Do you go down there?

Wayne:  We’ve been renting a place, so we go whenever we can find a place to live.

Milo:  Archie Hunt has a home in – – ground in St. George,  Archie Hunt. And they rent that out.

Wayne:  Oh.

Milo:  So maybe you ought to get a hold Archie Hunt and put a trailer on there once in a while.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  Are you still teaching?

Wayne:  No.  I retired.

Milo:  You’ve retired

Wayne:  Yeah.   I taught until was 70 and decided that was enough.

Milo:  Dr. Burst has a son that he’s – – Nicholas.  Just put him in Stanford, California for $31,000 for one year, schooling.  Thirty, thirty-one thousand.

Wayne:  Yeah,  I can believe it.  My school is about 28.

Milo: Yeah.

Wayne: Yeah.  And there are families that have got two or three kids – –

Milo:  Right.

Wayne: – – that – – I couldn’t afford Weber College.

Milo:  Well, that’s the way – –

Wayne: Which was 56 a year.

Milo:  But I have that grandson there that picks up close to $52,000 on paper – –

Wayne: Yeah.

Milo:  – – Besides what other he gets.   When they went back to these here scholarship meetings and stuff like this,  they give them tapes, they give them the recordings, they gave them pamphlets for the computers.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo:  They pick up like- – what did he tell us – – $7,000 in these pamphlets and stuff for the computers, disk and stuff like that.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: They’re gifts to these kids.   If you had to buy them, it’s amazing.

Gladys :  He’s just a very smart boy and he isn’t a smart alec

He’s just as nice as can be.

Milo:  He’s nice like his father and his grandfather.

Wayne:  Yeah.

Milo: But you take – – you take the Carver family, probably respected more than any family in Plain City that I’ve ever known, the Carver family.

Wayne:  Yeah, well, I’m real pleased to hear that.  I’m, you know, it’s been so long since I’ve lived here, I – -and it almost breaks my heart when I see the that the old town has disappeared,  you know, bears no relationship.

Milo:  You see, I remodeled your dad’s place.

Wayne:  Oh, I thought that’s all you did. I didn’t know you worked for contractors.

Milo:  Well, I worked for contract- –

Wayne: You built mom’s kitchen that she was so proud of.

Milo:  I got underneath the floor, put the floor back together.  There wasn’t even any floor under it.

Wayne: I don’t know what’s in there now.

Milo:  Your family’s in there.

Wayne: Well, it breaks Joan heart the way Lorin and Carolyn have just let it – –

Milo:  They let it go.

Wayne:  Yeah.  Well- –

(Tape Ends.)

Milo James Ross Obituary

University of Utah Veterans Commemoration in 2009

University of Utah Veterans Commemoration in 2009

Milo James Ross, 93, peacefully slipped out of mortality in the comfort of his own bed in Plain City on 17 July 2014.

Milo was born 4 February 1921 in a log cabin north of Plain City to John “Jack” William Ross and Ethel (Sharp) Ross. His mother tragically died from childbirth in 1925. Milo and his siblings lived with his Ross grandparents until the costs proved too great and his Uncle Edward Sharp raised Milo in Plain City until adulthood.

He grew up tending to his Grandmother Sharp and spending most of his time farming with his many Sharp cousins and his siblings. He attended schools in Plain City and graduated from Weber High in 1939.

Milo met Gladys Maxine Donaldson at a Plain City celebration in 1940. They would meet from time to time for dancing at the Berthana in Ogden. Milo and Gladys married 4 April 1942 in her parent’s home on 8th Street in Ogden.

Milo enlisted in the Army in October 1942. He served in the 33rd Infantry Division, 130th Regiment, Company C. He trained in weapons and earned his expert ranking. He arrived in Hawaii in July 1943 and received the announcement that his son, Milo Paul, had been born. He served as part of the Philippine invasion force and they fought through the jungles and liberated Baguio City. He was injured five times, one while tending to other soldiers awaiting medical attention.

He was present at the Japanese surrender at Luzon as a Technical Sergeant in June 1945. He received two purple hearts and the Silver Star for his service at the end of World War II. His Company received a Presidential Citation for outstanding performance during armed conflict with the enemy in efforts to seize Hill X in Bilbil Mountain Province. At the time of Milo’s death, the military was preparing to award him another Purple Heart, another Silver Star, Bronze Star, Good Conduct Medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal & Bronze Star, World War II Victory Medal, Combat Infantry Badge 1st Award, Philippine Liberation Ribbon and Bronze Star, Honorable Service Button for World War II. He was also to be awarded the Philippine Liberation Medal and Republic of the Philippines Presidential Unit Citation Badge from the Philippine Government.

He returned home in 1945 and began working with his father-in-law. He eventually began building or remodeling homes. He estimated he had built over 120 homes and remodeled another 50 homes or buildings in his lifetime. Two more children joined Milo and Gladys in 1946 and 1948, Judy Ethel and Caroline. Milo and Gladys dedicated their lives to raising their three children and tenderly caring for Judy’s needs until she passed away in 1998.

Milo and Gladys solemnized their marriage 2 July 1976 in the Ogden LDS Temple with their daughter Judy by their side. Milo served in various callings as a humble servant favoring their time as temple workers in the Ogden Temple for almost a decade. Milo and Gladys also relished their time in raising their garden and providing its fruits to friends, family, the temple, and local hospitals.

Milo is survived by his son Milo (Janice) Ross of Hazelton, Idaho and daughter Caroline (Abram) Gallegos of Plain City. Eight grandchildren, Scott (Robyn) Ross of Kimberly, Idaho; Jeffrey (Holly) Ross of Jerome, Idaho; Becky (Joseph) Patterson of Portland, Oregon; Paul (Amanda) Ross of Burley, Idaho; Andra Ross of Heyburn, Idaho; Christy (Sterling) Neilson of Rupert, Idaho; Cindy (Steve) Pease of Albion, Idaho; and Lonny (Amy) Taylor of Declo, Idaho; seventeen great grandchildren; and eleven great great grandchildren.

Milo was preceded in death by his parents; his wife Gladys; all five siblings Hobart Day, June Stout, Paul Ross, Harold Ross, and Earnest Ross; daughter Judy Ross; grandson-in-law Bret Adams, and two great grandchildren.

The funeral will be held Tuesday 22 July 2014 at the Plain City 7th Ward Building, 2952 N 4200 W, a building he helped organize its construction, at 11:00 AM with Bishop Tom Matthews officiating.

Friends may call at Lindquist Mortuary in North Ogden at 2140 N 400 E (Washington Blvd) from 6 until 8 PM on Monday 21 July 2014. Friends may also call from 10:00 until 10:45 AM prior to the service at the church. Burial will be in the Plain City Cemetery beside his beloved Gladys and Judy.

Milo J Ross in army uniform squat